Axysimmetric analysis - AUTOSPC

Enrico_20294
Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi,
I have to perform a linear static analyisis on an axisymmetric component. I meshed the section in the XZ plane using CTAXI elements and I applied PAXI property; the model is constrained at the bottom and I've manually written the PLOADX1 at the top, in order to simulate a traction force.
I want to evaluate the stress concetration in a particular region of the component, so I used different mesh sizes.

When I run the model, AUTOSPC locks the y translational motion (dof = 2) in some grids, because of error 2133: the grid x 'has no stiffness and is not constrained'.

I would kindly ask you some hints to fix the problem.

p.s. : I performed the check on the mesh (panel tools>check elem) and no error was found.
In order to check if the problem was related to the mesh, I kept the mesh, but I changed the element type in CTRIA, the property in PSHELL and I put FORCES instead of PLOADX1; when I run this analysis, autospc didn't added any spc. So, is the problem related to the axisymmetric elements / load?

Thank you so much for your help

 

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    Hi @Enrico

     

    Can you turnoff AUTOSPC and check if that helps?

     

    goto control cards>>PARAM>>AUTOSPC>>NO

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    I tried, but the analysis can't start:

     

    *** ERROR # 2133 ***
     There are d.o.f.s that must be constrained, see the above table.
     the number of d.o.f. = 123

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    OK, I will check and update

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    thank you so much!

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    HI,

     

    I tried with different constraints and alligning the normals, but I got a different error.

     

    I will check the solution for this and will get back to you. 

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    Thank you very much, I look forward to hearing from you

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    Hi Enrico,

     

    I am experiencing an almost identical problem on a structure of mine. If there has been any improvement on the matter, please let me know,  lost tons of time on it too.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    HI,

     

     

    Can you try with CTRIAX6 elements instead of CTAXI?

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020

    Hi @Enrico

     

    Try this model with CTAXI elements. 

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    Hi @Prakash Pagadala,

    thank you for your kindness

    I tried to run the input file you kindly sent to me, but I still have the same problem (2133)

    I'm using  Hyperworks 2017 Student edition

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    OK. I will check and update you soon. 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020

    Hi @Enrico

     

    Please find the attached model, result file and .out file. 

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    Hi Prakash,

    I saw your files, but I think that the model is not well constrained.

    By the way, as I can see in the output file, AUTOSPC continues locking spc 2 and, as a consequence, there are wrong stress results in the h3d file.

    I apologize for bothering you, but I do not know how can I solve this problem

    Thank you

     

    Enrico

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020

    @Enrico

     

    Without AUTOSPC the model is under constrained which is lacking stiffness in Y direction. 

     

    Please see the attached model file with is constrained in 3, 4 and 5. 

     

     

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    Thank you

    However, I don't understand the local stress peaks inside the model, they are not phisical and non-negligible.

    Is it possible that they are related to the autospc? How to solve the problem?

    Thanks

    Enrico

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    Hi Enrico,

     

    I will check. 

     

    One way is to use traditional elements with symmetric boundary conditions. 

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited December 2017

    Thanks!

    Aim of the study is to evaluate the stress concentration in the component visible in the figure. So, unfortunately I can't model the whole component (or one quarter only) with solid elements, because it would require too much grids

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    Hi Enrico,

     

    I have written to experts on the same and waiting for their feedback. 

     

    I will share details ASAP

     

    You can run with second order elements but make sure the element type is CTAXI after converting to 2nd order elements and remove AUTOSPC

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited December 2017

    Hi @Enrico

     

    Just an update...

     

    The issue is with CTAXI 1st order elements with which see stress singularity.

     

    Our developers fixed it for 2017. 3 release. 

     

    Meanwhile you can use 2nd order elements instead. 

  • Enrico_20294
    Enrico_20294 Altair Community Member
    edited April 2018

    Hi Prakash,

    I've another question about CTAXI elements. In my analyses, I have to use a non-linear material model.

    However, when I run the simulation, in the .out file I read:

    *** WARNING # 1916
     Nonlinear material(s) defined, but no elements appropriate to use them.

     

    Could you help me, please?

     

    Thanks,

    Enrico

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited April 2018

    Hi @Enrico

     

    CTAXI/CTRIAX6 elements are not compatible with non-linear material cards for now.

     

     

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