Is there any way to generate a Nyquist plot in PSIM for any converter topology?

anhnha
anhnha Altair Community Member
edited November 2023 in Community Q&A

Is there any way to generate a Nyquist plot in PSIM for any converter topology? This feature is available in Smart Control, but it's only applicable to some fixed topologies. 

Best Answer

  • NikosDimitrakopoulos
    NikosDimitrakopoulos
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2023 Answer ✓
    anhnha said:

    Thank you for the info. I'm aware of AC sweep, but the result is plotted in a Bode plot, which doesn't work well for non-minimum phase systems (it's hard to assess stability using the Bode for this type of system). The reason I want a Nyquist plot is so that I can easily check the stability of any systems, including non-minimum phase systems.

    Dear user,

    When it comes to control system design, PSIM is offering a semi-automated solution for determining the PI gains for the control of your power stage. The workflow consists of two key components:

    1. The first part is getting the AC sweep of your open loop system, essentially the bode plot.
    2. The second part involves SmartCtrl, an Altair Partner tool that has direct linkage with PSIM. You can import the bode plots generated form the AC sweep into SmartCtrl to automatically generate the Nyquist plot and determine the operating point of your converter in terms of cross-over frequency and phase margin. SmartCtrl's interface is depicted below:


      image

      For more details on this workflow, feel free to follow:

      PSIM & SmartCtrl - Design a Controller in Minutes, Not Hours

      Buck Converter Inner Loop design - Video Tutorial

      AC Sweeps with PSIM: What makes them unique?


      *PSIM itself doesn't offer a Nyquist plot tool as of now

Answers

  • Marek Jableka_20320
    Marek Jableka_20320
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2023

    Hello,

    I assume you'd like to analyze the stability of DC-DC converter / Inverter and you need to check whether the amplitude and phase conditions are met.

    For that please refer to PSIM simualtion called "AC SWEEP".

    It allows to inject predefined time domain sine signal into your DC-DC systems and then observe the stability of your circuit. There is no topoogy limitation in PSIM.

    You may find a lot of materials on our Community: AC SWEEP Search - Altair Community

    And on Youtube: https://youtu.be/nbFo-NMeY_w?si=KhCLDHFb3sOJlXid.

    You may as well refer to PSIM HELP searching for "AC sweep" keyword

     

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    Marek Jableka

  • anhnha
    anhnha Altair Community Member
    edited November 2023

    Hello,

    I assume you'd like to analyze the stability of DC-DC converter / Inverter and you need to check whether the amplitude and phase conditions are met.

    For that please refer to PSIM simualtion called "AC SWEEP".

    It allows to inject predefined time domain sine signal into your DC-DC systems and then observe the stability of your circuit. There is no topoogy limitation in PSIM.

    You may find a lot of materials on our Community: AC SWEEP Search - Altair Community

    And on Youtube: https://youtu.be/nbFo-NMeY_w?si=KhCLDHFb3sOJlXid.

    You may as well refer to PSIM HELP searching for "AC sweep" keyword

     

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    Marek Jableka

    Thank you for the info. I'm aware of AC sweep, but the result is plotted in a Bode plot, which doesn't work well for non-minimum phase systems (it's hard to assess stability using the Bode for this type of system). The reason I want a Nyquist plot is so that I can easily check the stability of any systems, including non-minimum phase systems.

  • NikosDimitrakopoulos
    NikosDimitrakopoulos
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2023 Answer ✓
    anhnha said:

    Thank you for the info. I'm aware of AC sweep, but the result is plotted in a Bode plot, which doesn't work well for non-minimum phase systems (it's hard to assess stability using the Bode for this type of system). The reason I want a Nyquist plot is so that I can easily check the stability of any systems, including non-minimum phase systems.

    Dear user,

    When it comes to control system design, PSIM is offering a semi-automated solution for determining the PI gains for the control of your power stage. The workflow consists of two key components:

    1. The first part is getting the AC sweep of your open loop system, essentially the bode plot.
    2. The second part involves SmartCtrl, an Altair Partner tool that has direct linkage with PSIM. You can import the bode plots generated form the AC sweep into SmartCtrl to automatically generate the Nyquist plot and determine the operating point of your converter in terms of cross-over frequency and phase margin. SmartCtrl's interface is depicted below:


      image

      For more details on this workflow, feel free to follow:

      PSIM & SmartCtrl - Design a Controller in Minutes, Not Hours

      Buck Converter Inner Loop design - Video Tutorial

      AC Sweeps with PSIM: What makes them unique?


      *PSIM itself doesn't offer a Nyquist plot tool as of now

  • anhnha
    anhnha Altair Community Member
    edited November 2023

    Dear user,

    When it comes to control system design, PSIM is offering a semi-automated solution for determining the PI gains for the control of your power stage. The workflow consists of two key components:

    1. The first part is getting the AC sweep of your open loop system, essentially the bode plot.
    2. The second part involves SmartCtrl, an Altair Partner tool that has direct linkage with PSIM. You can import the bode plots generated form the AC sweep into SmartCtrl to automatically generate the Nyquist plot and determine the operating point of your converter in terms of cross-over frequency and phase margin. SmartCtrl's interface is depicted below:


      image

      For more details on this workflow, feel free to follow:

      PSIM & SmartCtrl - Design a Controller in Minutes, Not Hours

      Buck Converter Inner Loop design - Video Tutorial

      AC Sweeps with PSIM: What makes them unique?


      *PSIM itself doesn't offer a Nyquist plot tool as of now

    Thanks! I didn't realize it could work with any topology by importing Bode plots into SmartCtrl. I'll look into it.

  • NikosDimitrakopoulos
    NikosDimitrakopoulos
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2023
    anhnha said:

    Thanks! I didn't realize it could work with any topology by importing Bode plots into SmartCtrl. I'll look into it.

    Happy to help!