How to rectify the ERROR ID : 442. ERROR IN RIGID BODY DEFINITION (Spot and Mig weld)

Logesh M_22331
Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
edited July 2022 in Community Q&A

Hey Guys,

 

Currently I am working on the crash analysis of a front bumper and I have joined the elements with spot and mig weld using a 1D Rbody connectors  .

Whenever starting Radioss the solver says following: ERROR ID : 442   ** ERROR IN RIGID BODY DEFINITION. 

I also attached the file, so that you can have a better look at the issue. 

Please be so kind to help me

Best Answer

  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022 Answer ✓

    Your animation output frequency was set to 0, in attached I changed it and also increased the runtime so it is long enough for impact to occur.

    On running it though, it seems you have many other issues with this model.

    Your mesh is shells, but it seems to be on the outer faces of all the surfaces of your parts, it should just be the midplane, so you have modelled hollow parts in effect. Because of that, you also have numerous intersections and penetrations in the model (where you have contact defined, the parts should not intersect each other or be closer together than the contact gap)

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  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022

    It is not legal to have RBODY sharing nodes and you have many cases where this is happening, see image below

    Also RBODY should not be node-node with the main node on the mesh, (main node should almost always be 'free' in Radioss for RBODY, since it is normally moved to the CofG of the Rigid Body during starter processing) you should create a separate independent node in between

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    In attached revision (runs through starter now tih no rigid body warning or error) I combined all RBODY having shared nodes and created new independent nodes for them using modelchecker and Rigid Body editor in HyperCrash, process only took about 5 mins. I also set ispher flag on for all your small Rbody, as some of them would have very tiny inertias about their axis otherwise.

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  • Logesh M_22331
    Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
    edited July 2022

    Thank you Paul sir.

  • Logesh M_22331
    Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
    edited July 2022

    Hi sir, after run radioss, there are no 'result' button, what is the problem?

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  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022

    Hi sir, after run radioss, there are no 'result' button, what is the problem?

    image

    That looks like you didn't set a termination time in your engine file (_0001.rad) /RUN card

     

    You only sent the starter (_0000.rad) before so I don't know what settings you have?

  • Logesh M_22331
    Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
    edited July 2022

    Good Morning sir,

           After running file with engine card and termination time. I am unable to get the result tab in the radioss block. So I have attached the radioss file. Please be so kind to help me

  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022 Answer ✓

    Your animation output frequency was set to 0, in attached I changed it and also increased the runtime so it is long enough for impact to occur.

    On running it though, it seems you have many other issues with this model.

    Your mesh is shells, but it seems to be on the outer faces of all the surfaces of your parts, it should just be the midplane, so you have modelled hollow parts in effect. Because of that, you also have numerous intersections and penetrations in the model (where you have contact defined, the parts should not intersect each other or be closer together than the contact gap)

  • Logesh M_22331
    Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
    edited July 2022

    Your animation output frequency was set to 0, in attached I changed it and also increased the runtime so it is long enough for impact to occur.

    On running it though, it seems you have many other issues with this model.

    Your mesh is shells, but it seems to be on the outer faces of all the surfaces of your parts, it should just be the midplane, so you have modelled hollow parts in effect. Because of that, you also have numerous intersections and penetrations in the model (where you have contact defined, the parts should not intersect each other or be closer together than the contact gap)

    Good evening If I use midsurfacing meshing then the problem of  intersections and penetrations  will be rectified

  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022

    Good evening If I use midsurfacing meshing then the problem of  intersections and penetrations  will be rectified

    Not necessarily, but it should be much better than what you have now, you will still need to check for intersections and penetrations and correct them if required

  • Logesh M_22331
    Logesh M_22331 New Altair Community Member
    edited July 2022

    Sir I have rectified the penetration but I was unable to rectify the intersection. Can you guide me how to rectify the intersection

  • PaulAltair
    PaulAltair
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2022

    Sir I have rectified the penetration but I was unable to rectify the intersection. Can you guide me how to rectify the intersection

    An intersection is where 2 parts cross over one another, you need to move one or both parts tro remove the clash, intersections should show up in the same check tool as penetrations, you may select nodes manually and deintersect them using the tools in the panel

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