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Complex eigenvalue post non linear analysis- analysis steps

Altair Forum User

Hello,

I'm doing a simulation with Optistruct on a brake system and I want to perform a non linear quasi static analysis with frictional contact first and a complex eigenvalue analysis accounting for the frictional interaction then (i.e. asymmetric terms on the stiffness matrix).

I also read all the relative posts on this forum, but i'm still having problems. Do you have any suggestions or procedure to set the two analyses?

I have another question: in my model there are: a force that pushes one pad against the disk and a rotation of 5 degrees that puts the contact between disk and pads in sliding; i have these two step at the same time, but is possible to put in contact only with the force first and to rotate in a successive step?

Thank You.

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Altair Forum User

Hello,

as I explained in the last post, I have to do a complex eigenvalue on a brake system.

I tried to exctract the stiffness matrix, but I didn't succeed with the superelement approach because Hypermesh does not allow to use it in a non linear quasi static analysis.

I understood that this method is not the way to reach a result, so I would like to know if is possible to obtain the stiffness matrix asimmetric terms (relative to the frictional contacts) in another way.

I saw this tutorial http://www.altairhyperworks.com/hwhelp/Altair/hw14.0/help/hwsolvers/hwsolvers.htm?rd-2110_complex_eigenvalue.htm, but in my case I haven't a mesh corrispondence among the surfaces because i'm studying a general case. Is possible to use this approach in any way?

If this approach isn't correct, will be possible to extract the stiffness matrix using Hypermath??

THANK YOU!

Altair Forum User

Hello,

I didn't have any answer so I suppose that Hypermesh does not allow this operation.

Am I wrong??

Rahul Rajan_21763

Did you check for STATSUB PRELOAD.Is it case of Brake sequal?

Attached deck for same.

Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

Altair Forum User

Thanks Raul.

Now it seems to work!

Rahul Rajan_21763

Thanks for the update.

Altair Forum User

Hello,

I tried to launch the attached model, but I received this error:

*** ERROR # 4754 ***
STATSUB(PRELOAD) of subcase 2 points to a nonlinear subcase and
frictional CGAP/CGAPG element (or frictional N2S contact) is present,
which is not supported.

Does exist any solution for this?

Because I'm interested in the contact approach used in this sample deck!

Thanks very much

Rahul Rajan_21763

Which version of Optistruct you are using?

Altair Forum User

I'm using 14.0 with the student license

Rahul Rajan_21763

I tried in full version HW solvers patch 14.0.210

Will check and update you shortly.

Altair Forum User

Hello Raul.

Do you have any updates??

Thank You very much!

Rahul Rajan_21763

Hi,

Sorry for the late reply.As you know that we are improving & adding more features in Optistruct latest version.Shared model run fine with upcoming version of Hyperworks solver 14.0.220 patch which is yet to officially release.(14.0.210 patch do not runs through)

For Student edition we dont release any patch so it cannot be possible with student edition 14.0 at your end.If you are running similar cases then i would request you to share your deck & i would run and update you.

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Altair Forum User

Hello Rahul.

I can use the full version on the PC of my referent professor at University.

Thank very much for the support!!

Altair Forum User

Hello Rahul.

I'm setting up my model with the same approach of the example you attached here (brake_squeal_example.fem).

I'm having troubles to create CGAP elements, especially to extend these elements to the entire surface where contact is present.

Do there exist any tutorials about this topic?

Otherwise do you have any suggestions?

Thank you!

Rahul Rajan_21763

Do you have node to node connectivity or matching pattern in that region.

Altair Forum User

I have the same mesh on the two surfaces, so i think is a node to node connectivity.

When I try to create CGAP l Can choose only from one node to another, instead I have to connect all the nodes of a surface to the nodes of the other surface.

Altair Forum User

Hello Rahul,

have you any updates??

Altair Forum User

Hello,

do there exist any way to create CGAP elements automatically for the entire surface?

Or I have to do it one by one?

Rahul Rajan_21763

If you have matching mesh then 1d page linear 1d is good option to create CGAP element. let me know if you need any help on same.

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Altair Forum User

Hello Rahul,

I tried to remake CGAP elements on the model that you sent to me, but I didn't succeed.

I varied all the commands in linear 1d like alignment,element config and density, but HM always gives back the same error!!

In the image attached you can see it; the problem is that the mesh's elements orders are the same!!!

Do you have any suggestion for solving this??

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Rahul Rajan_21763

Just checked same at my end.It seems linear 1d works fine with 2d elements.I tried with 2d approach by extracting faces & it worked.Will prepare video & share to you here asap.

Its all about knowing & handling Hm meshing tool efficiently.

Rahul Rajan_21763

As far as i know Hm i would have opted attached option to create gap elements.Create sets of that region elements & make use of faces for creating gap elements.

Please find below Ftin link for same.

https://ftin.india.altair.com:8443/message/MN3dZltE40ffFKq9HGaTu8

Altair Forum User

Hello Rahul,

thanks for the help.

I have an update that could be useful for you: I also succeeded to create CGAP elements with the spotweld function that allows to create 1d elements from nodes to nodes.

Now I'm having another problem: the results of the modal complex eigenvalue analysis are bad.

If I use fixed slope approach (fixed stiffness K_t) for the frictional contact I obtain complex modes with too high dampings and too low frequencies; instead if I use elastic slip distance approach I obtain good dampings and frequencies, but all the complex modes are stable (real parts of eigenvalues are negative) even if i'm in squeal classical conditions.

I tried to change lots of parameters like friction coefficients, number of roots desired (Both on EIGRL and EIGC cards to see if could be an effect of the modal method's truncation),etc. but I didn't obtain any good results.

Do you have any suggestions on this situation??

Thanks very much