TIME STEP ERROR

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hello sir Good morning, I was running the full vehicle model for crash and i am facing the problem in time step for which run is being terminated. Please Help me, thank you.

                                               

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    Hi Ramakiran,

    Do you have /DT/BRICK/CST keyword in your model?. If so, check the minimum time step, Tmin, defined for the same.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    i have used /eng/dt with tscale 0.9 and tmin 1.1e-8 according to my min element size?what should be the  tmin?  in /dt/brick/cst?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    Hi Ramakiran,

    Please remove the /DT card and try running, It seems like some solid elements are getting compressed and the time step of those elements are going below the specified Tmin.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    then only DT/BRIC/CST is enough to define time step for the full model????

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    Hi Ramakiran,

    /DT/BRICK/CST is used in order to prevent the solid elements from negative volume, this happens when solid elements are very deformed and their characteristic length goes to 0. At those cases in solid property  Ismstr =2 is used which will use large strain formulation while their time step remains greater than tmin, and will then switch to small strain formulation.

    In order to impose a time step in the model use /DT/NODA/CST keyword.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    Thank you sir, what are the values in dt brick cst i  must use when i use dt noda cst as tscle  0.9 and  tmin 1.1e-8 ?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    Hi Ramakiran,

    You can try with the same same value for /DT/BRICK/CST, or you can slightly increase the same also.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    okay thank you sir, trying it.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited August 2017

    hello sir, even when i changed the time steps still its showing negative volume and constant time step for solid elements error..i'm dropping the starter out and result out files in drop box. Thank you.

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi Ramakiran,

    /DT/BRICK/CST is used in order to prevent the solid elements from negative volume, this happens when solid elements are very deformed and their characteristic length goes to 0. At those cases in solid property  Ismstr =2 is used which will use large strain formulation while their time step remains greater than tmin, and will then switch to small strain formulation.

    In order to impose a time step in the model use /DT/NODA/CST keyword.

    Hi George

    I used /DT/BRICK/CST but my model until does not work, the error is ZERO OR NEGATIVE VOLUME FOR 2D-ELEMENT

    How can I fix this problem?

    Thank you

  • Nachiket Kadu_22143
    Nachiket Kadu_22143 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi George

    I used /DT/BRICK/CST but my model until does not work, the error is ZERO OR NEGATIVE VOLUME FOR 2D-ELEMENT

    How can I fix this problem?

    Thank you

    @pohan what elements type you are using?

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi Kadu.

    I use P14 QUAD 4N

  • Nachiket Kadu_22143
    Nachiket Kadu_22143 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi Kadu.

    I use P14 QUAD 4N

    With ismstr=2? and did you had any warnings regarding incompatible BC? 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited May 2018

    Hi @pohan

     

    Can you add DT/NODA/CST and check if that helps?

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi Prakash 

    I did with this:

    /DT/BRICK/CST
    0.900000000000000    0.000000000000000
    /DT/NODA/CST/0
    0.900000000000000    0.000000000000000 

    But it still does not work

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    With ismstr=2? and did you had any warnings regarding incompatible BC? 

    Hi

    I used ismstr=2 and I had this warning: ** INCOMPATIBLE KINEMATIC CONDITIONS IN MODEL

  • Nachiket Kadu_22143
    Nachiket Kadu_22143 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi

    I used ismstr=2 and I had this warning: ** INCOMPATIBLE KINEMATIC CONDITIONS IN MODEL

    Use ismstr=2 and u please check the boundary condition applied are correct? make sure u are not giving load to a contrained dof.

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Use ismstr=2 and u please check the boundary condition applied are correct? make sure u are not giving load to a contrained dof.

    Hi.

    I check the boundary condition, in my opinion it is correct. The warning ** INCOMPATIBLE KINEMATIC CONDITIONS IN MODEL caused by the Rigid wall.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited May 2018

    @pohan

     

    Please share the model file using  the file transfer link in my signature.

  • Nachiket Kadu_22143
    Nachiket Kadu_22143 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi.

    I check the boundary condition, in my opinion it is correct. The warning ** INCOMPATIBLE KINEMATIC CONDITIONS IN MODEL caused by the Rigid wall.

    Delete that wall and try preparing it again.

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    @pohan

     

    Please share the model file using  the file transfer link in my signature.

    Hi

    I sent you my files

    Thank you

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited June 2018

    Hi,

     

    I shared a file with you. Please try that. 

  • pohan
    pohan Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    Hi,

     

    I shared a file with you. Please try that. 

    Thank you.

    It work. Could you please tell me how did you determine the ΔTmin 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited June 2018

    @pohan

     

    Run the analysis and see the time step written by the solver. Use a closer value in DT/NODA