Displacement becomes small after activating LGDISP

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi everyone, 

 

Could you help me understand the phenomema that I describe below ? 

 

I conducted a non-linear analysis with activating LGDISP. After comparing the results with and without LGDISP, I found that there is a big difference in displacement. 

 

If I don't activate LGDISP, the displacement of model is very large. Otherwises, the displacement becomes small with LGDISP. I don't understand this phenomena. 

 

Note : In my model, I have plastic material so with small young's modulus , but just linear comportement is taken into account (I don't have informations on parameters for determining its non-linear comportement). I implemented non-linear analysis because of contact phenomena. 

 

Thanks for your helps. 

 

Answers

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2018

    Hi,

     

    Are you running a large strain problem with NLSTAT without LGDISP?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2018

    Hi Prakash, 

     

    Yes, I ran the analysis with NLSTAT without LGDISP. In this case, the displacement is large. Otherwise, if I activate LGDISP with NLGEOM, the displacement becomes small. I am not sure the problem is qualitified as a large strain problem. 

     

    Regards,

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2018

    Hi,

     

    I think you are running large strain problem. So without LGDISP some effects like contact status are taken into consideration. 

     

    with LGDISP this is taken care. 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2018

    Hi Prakash,

     

    Thanks for your helps. 

     

    I have one more question: What is the differences between NLSTAT and NLGEOM ? I have read Hyperwork Helps. But it is still not clear for me. As NLSTAT works only for small displacement nonlinear analysis, an analysis with NLSTAT and LGDISP should not be allowed by Solver, not ? however, I can do it with my current model.

     

    That means there are 4 combinations : 

    • NLSTAT with LGDISP
    • NLSTAT without LGDISP
    • NLGEOM with LGDISP
    • NLGEOM without LGDISP

    Furthemore, I didn't found an explanation for NLGEOM anlaysis type under the descriptions of ANALYSIS in Hyperworks helps. 

     

    Best regards, 

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2018

    Hi,

     

    LGDISP is used in combination with NLSTAT to analyze large strain problems. 

     

    I think with NLGEOM LGDISP will be ignored. 


    With NLSTAT  it is assumed that the simulated physical phenomenon is not influenced by temporal aspects, in other words that the expected results do not depend on the speed of application of efforts. This makes it possible to satisfy the equation of equilibrium with each step, the effects of inertia being ignored. Therefore, the weakly dynamic problem can be solved as a static (quasi-static) problem. 

  • Karthic_22061
    Karthic_22061 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Hi @Prakash Pagadala,

    Will NLSTAT with LGDISP consider the Geometric non-linearity ?  

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited May 2018

    Hi @Karthic

     

    Yes, solver should consider Geometric non-linearity with LGDISP.

     

    See this from OptiStruct help:

     

    Large Displacement Analysis

    Large Displacement Nonlinear Static Analysis (LGDISP) is used for the solution of problems wherein the load response relationship is nonlinear and large structural displacements are involved. The source of this nonlinearity can be attributed to multiple system properties, for example, materials, geometry, nonlinear loading, and constraints. Currently, in OptiStruct the large displacement capabilities include large strain elasto-plasticity (MATS1), hyperelasticity of polynomial form (MATHE), contact with small tangential motion, deformation dependent loads (follower loads), and rigid body constraints.

  • Karthic_22061
    Karthic_22061 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Thank you @Prakash Pagadala,

    Will all the loads in NLSTAT with LGDISP are follower loads. Or FLLWER card is required along with NLSTAT (LGDISP )

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited May 2018

    @Karthic

     

    FLLWER card is required for follower load analysis.

     

     
    If FLLWER = option is present above the first subcase, it is applied to all large displacement nonlinear static subcases.
  • Karthic_22061
    Karthic_22061 Altair Community Member
    edited May 2018

    Thank you @Prakash Pagadala,

    Do I need FLLWER card to specify deformation dependent loads (follower loads) in NLGEOM subcase ?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited June 2018

    Hi Karthic,

     

    Follower force is currently only supported for large-displacement nonlinear static analysis subcases.