Material for very thin Shell elements

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi All

 

My analysis contains thin plastic (thk=0.1mm) bag subjected to pressure.

 

I have results for 2 

 

1.Optistruct static pressure analysis (100 KPa , used shell elements QUADR ,TRIAR,ELASTIC material )

 

2.Radioss Dynamic pressure analysis (0 KPa to 100 KPa varying over time , used shell elements SHELL4N ,SHELL3N , ELASTIC material)

 

but my stress values for Static (Optistruct) twice as for Dynamic (Radioss) are , but no clue.

 

my questions

 

1,have i used correct element /Materials for above analysis?

 

2.Since analysis id of very thin plastic elements , do i need use any other elements /material for Radioss?

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

Regards

 

Kash

 

 

 

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2016

    Hi Kash,

    From my understanding I feel that this is an intended behavior of the simulation. In OptiStruct, it is a static case where load is applied where as in RADIOSS the load is ramped on to the model based on the load curve defined. Normally if we are looking for a steady state value, then the loads must be ramped up slowly.  The load must ramp up from zero to the desired final value to get a steady state response.Based on the curve defined, the load will be applied to the model and the model will behave accordingly.

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2016

    Hi George

     

    Thanks for explanation.

     

    Also i have below question

     

    Also does Radioss has element type to represent membrane (a very thin elements)?

     

    or

     

    is there material type (i used M1_ELAST) to represent the membrane behavior?

     

    Regards

     

    Kash  

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2016

    Hi Kash,

    To emulate a membrane element use only one integration point (N=1) for computation.

    For an elastic material (Law 1) due to the analytical computation, the option is ignored. One way to get a membrane element with an elastic material is to use an elasto-plastic law (Johnson-Cook law) with a very high yield stress (for example: 1e+30).

  • gopal_rathore
    gopal_rathore Altair Community Member
    edited October 2016

    Hi Kash,

    What is the loading type i,e internal pressure or external pressure?

    Also what is the ramp time used for the run in radioss?

    Are the higher stresses coming near weld locations (are weld modelled by rigids) , in that case the near by elemental high stresses can be neglected I think.

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