"[SOLVED] start RM process without GUI with java -jar ?"

Why is this different on linux?

cd Rapid-I\RapidMiner5\lib\
java -jar rapidminer.jar

Like this?

hi

nope ...what u wrote starts also the GUI .

and I am aware of rapidminer.bat -f but i dont want windows.

cheers

Hi,

you can use "java -cp rapidminer.jar com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine"

Regards,
Marco

Hi Marco

it always seems to fail.
I tried a very simple process just to discretize something and I removed any output.
It still ends with this:

....
May 14, 2012 11:17:44 AM com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine run
SEVERE: Here:          Process[1] (Process)
          subprocess 'Main Process'
      ==>  +- Retrieve (2)[1] (Retrieve)
            +- Select Attributes[0] (Select Attributes)
            +- Filter Example Range[0] (Filter Example Range)
            +- Discretize[0] (Discretize by Frequency)
May 14, 2012 11:17:44 AM com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine run
SEVERE: Process not successful

It does suggest it has been executed.

any more ideas?
thx

Download Rapid Miner to eclipse http://rapid-i.com/content/view/25/48/ and launch it from there.

hi wessel

thats a bit of a reach I just want the ability to run jobs from command line,
what Marco suggested seems to be on the right track, but somethings still missing ...

If you run from eclipse you can do easier debugging!
It is very easy to run from eclipse.

Right, this said.
Did you check if the process runs with a relative path?
Maybe the retrieve operator is looking at some file that does not exist.

wessel wrote:	wessel wrote:
wessel wrote:	If you run from eclipse you can do easier debugging! It is very easy to run from eclipse. Right, this said. Did you check if the process runs with a relative path? Maybe the retrieve operator is looking at some file that does not exist.

sup w,

all is in the root of my repository.

about eclipse: I want to be able to launch RM in simple batch jobs that's why I want to avoid using eclipse.

So everything works now?

What lines of code did you use to get it working?

hi w
thx for axing

no, it's NOT working   >:(

 java -cp rapidminer.jar com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine [repository path] -f [process] 

leads to the error I posted before
it does start (so it seems at least) the process.... but fails to finish!

I managed to run a process successfully:
May 16, 2012 12:09:07 AM com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine run
INFO: Process finished successfully

But the moment I enter a retrieve operator it fails.

I'll try and figure out how to get retrieve to work.
Right now I'm on windows, so I have to install linux again.
I planned to do this anyway, but takes a bit of time.

Here is the process (generate data, and log some result, write the log to a file):


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<process version="5.2.004">
 <context>
   <input/>
   <output/>
   <macros/>
 </context>
 <operator activated="true" class="process" compatibility="5.2.004" expanded="true" name="Process">
   <process expanded="true" height="191" width="435">
     <operator activated="true" class="generate_data" compatibility="5.2.004" expanded="true" height="60" name="Generate Data" width="90" x="45" y="30"/>
     <operator activated="true" class="log" compatibility="5.2.004" expanded="true" height="76" name="Log" width="90" x="180" y="30">
       <parameter key="filename" value="C:\Users\wessel\Desktop\z.log"/>
       <list key="log">
         <parameter key="a" value="operator.Generate Data.parameter.target_function"/>
       </list>
     </operator>
     <operator activated="false" class="retrieve" compatibility="5.2.004" expanded="true" height="60" name="Retrieve" width="90" x="315" y="30">
       <parameter key="repository_entry" value="dat/_4ackley"/>
     </operator>
     <connect from_op="Generate Data" from_port="output" to_op="Log" to_port="through 1"/>
     <portSpacing port="source_input 1" spacing="0"/>
     <portSpacing port="sink_result 1" spacing="0"/>
     <portSpacing port="sink_result 2" spacing="0"/>
   </process>
 </operator>
</process>

Can you please double check for me, that if you set a fixed path for the retrieve operator, it still fails?

So it should give you a warning like this:
Parameter 'repository entry' accesses a repository by name (//MY_REPOSITORY/SOME_DATA_SET). This may not be portable when sharing processes.

My process seems to run fine when I have this warning, the moment I set a relative path (which removes the warning) the process fails.

Best regards,

Wessel

edit: I think if you want it to work with a relative path you have to use

-classpath "%COMPLETE_CLASSPATH%" -Drapidminer.home="%RAPIDMINER_HOME%" -Drapidminer.operators.additional="%RAPIDMINER_OPERATORS_ADDITIONAL%" %RAPIDMINER_JDBC_DRIVER_PARAMETER% com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine %CMD_LINE_ARGS%

Hi wessel

I tried the other syntax but it still did not work (relative path).
I tried XML process execution, same thing.

It does work when ABSOLUTE path in retrieve is used.

I dont want to be picky but since I move the processes between systems the RELATIVE path is much more desirable solution.

Else I would have to parse every process I port elsewhere to replace the repo path.

BUT if I rename all the repositories on the different machines to the SAME name! this may work without the need of parsing and replacing strings ...

I would say it qualifies as  a BUG, dont u think?

thanks for ur help appreciated!

Hi,

fritmore wrote:	fritmore wrote:
fritmore wrote:	nope ...what u wrote starts also the GUI . and I am aware of rapidminer.bat -f but i dont want windows. cheers

On linux you can chmod +x $RAPIDMINER_HOME/scripts/rapidminer and use that script to start RapidMiner headless.

I would say it qualifies as  a BUG, dont u think?

No. If you use the -f parameter, you provide a process file, that means that you use it independent from any repository. Thus RapidMiner has no idea if the process is attached to any repository at all, and even less where in this repository it lives. But it should be possible to start a process like this:

rapidminer //REPO_NAME/path/to/process

Then the process is executed in the repository context, and relative paths can be resolved.

Best,
Marius

Hi Marius

On linux you can chmod +x $RAPIDMINER_HOME/scripts/rapidminer and use that script to start RapidMiner headless.

it complained about missing sys variables.
when tried to build with ant, it failed.

version.get:
init:
[taskdef] Could not load definitions from resource antlib.xml.
...
...

so I could not test the sh script.

No. If you use the -f parameter, you provide a process file, that means that you use it independent from any repository. Thus RapidMiner has no idea if the process is attached to any repository at all, and even less where in this repository it lives. But it should be possible to start a process like this: rapidminer //REPO_NAME/path/to/process

Do you mean using the sh script rapidminer ? Because java -jar ... doesnt work with the path added like that.

br
f

Hi,

if you download the RapidMiner zip from our website, you should already have a scripts directory. If you have problems with the ant scripts we are also happy to assist you, but please open a new thread for that and supply some more detailed information (which ant target etc.).

Best, Marius

Marius wrote:	Marius wrote:
Marius wrote:	Hi, if you download the RapidMiner zip from our website, you should already have a scripts directory. If you have problems with the ant scripts we are also happy to assist you, but please open a new thread for that and supply some more detailed information (which ant target etc.). Best, Marius

will the

ant build

set all the sys variables so that I can test the sh scripts?

"ant build" does not set any system variables, it just compiles RapidMiner, but that's not necessary since the zip already contains the rapidminer.jar. Please post the output of the rapidminer sh script, maybe you have to set some variables manually.

Marius,

i set the missing variables so i executed the script just to realize it builds the same command wessel suggested.

java -cp rapidminer.jar com.rapidminer.RapidMinerCommandLine [repository path] -f [process]

You suggested to execute the linux script:

rapidminer path_to_process/process_name

that does NOT work (fails to find the process completely).


So back to square 1.

That is it (the first command here) runs the process ok if all the paths in the process are ABSOLUTE. It ALWAYS fails if any of them is relative.

Hi,

I think the much missed Gagi zapped this one, here http://rapid-i.com/rapidforum/index.php/topic,2385.0.html . Worth a read as he knew his stuff.

I tried to use the rapidminer.no_extension script on Linux, but for me it only works with absolute paths.
It is important to note that this script is different compared to the windows script.
This script contains lines of code for updating rapid miner and for running processes without the GUI.
Furthermore this script contains lots of code for trying to guess environment variables.

Can you come up with some minimal benchmark that is supposed to work?
E.g. retrieve a file from the repository, normalize the file, and write it back to the repository?

The way I see it there are 3 possible approaches:
1. Somehow modify the script so it also works for relative paths (based on Haddock's comments this should be possible, but for some reason didn't work for me)
2. Write a script that replaces all relative paths to absolute paths
3. Recompile the RapidMinerCommandLine class.

I'll let you know if I get 1 of the 3 working.

Best regards,

Wessel

haddock wrote:	haddock wrote:
haddock wrote:	Hi, I think the much missed Gagi zapped this one, here http://rapid-i.com/rapidforum/index.php/topic,2385.0.html . Worth a read as he knew his stuff.

sup captain,
gagi did not find a solution for dealing with RELATIVE paths ...

wessel wrote:	wessel wrote:
wessel wrote:	Can you come up with some minimal benchmark that is supposed to work? E.g. retrieve a file from the repository, normalize the file, and write it back to the repository?

yeah a retrieve operator with relative path set.

wessel wrote:	wessel wrote:
wessel wrote:	The way I see it there are 3 possible approaches: 1. Somehow modify the script so it also works for relative paths (based on Haddock's comments this should be possible, but for some reason didn't work for me) 2. Write a script that replaces all relative paths to absolute paths 3. Recompile the RapidMinerCommandLine class. I'll let you know if I get 1 of the 3 working. Best regards, Wessel

ad1) gagi did not modded the rapidminer script to be able to resolve the relative path problem
he must have worked with absol paths
ad2) thats pretty much what I do now,
ad3) hmmm please go ahead!

I was drawing your attention to...

seems to me, RM executes your process, but since the process is started from file, it isn't attached to any repository at all. Hence you cannot use relative paths inside the process to access a repository. Greetings,   Sebastian