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Hi,
on my machine at work I get bothered by Java "applet alerts" when I try to use Rapidminer extensions, such as the great new Automatic System Construction. I get as far as Step 3, but then the following Alert pops up:

APPLET ALERT
The applet is attempting to create new thread groups
Allow | Disallow | Stop Applet

By clicking allow, the process continues, but only for a fraction of a second before the alert appears again. So I can only advance the process by constantly clicking "Allow", which is not an option.

I have read that this might have something to do with security policies or TrendMicro. When I click Disallow, I get the following message:
com.trend.iwss.jscan.runtime.AppletTrapStopError: Applet disabled by IWSS Javascan site policy.

However,I can't find TrendMicro on my machine - so maybe its a policy of the network.

Either way, as I user I clearly don't have the right to change that policy, nor can I ask the admins to lower security levels.

If this really is a security problem, maybe the way how Rapidminer handles applets should be adjusted, so that is also runs on machines with stringent security policies.

If somebody has an advise, I would be very grateful!

Thank you very much
Hanspeter

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haddock

Greets Hanspeter,

How annoying! By chance I was talking about sterile jars to a chum quite recently, so I suspect you're on the right track with...

However,I can't find TrendMicro on my machine - so maybe its a policy of the network.

especially if you check this out..

http://esupport.trendmicro.com/Pages/IWSx-3x-Some-files-and-folders-are-added-to-the-Jar-files-after-passin.aspx

Hope that is useful!

Good weekend

spitfire_ch

Greetings Captain Haddock - old childhood hero

Thanks for your reply! I also stumbled over said page, but couldn't follow the indicated steps because I couldn't find Trend Micro on my machine. Especially Step one proved to be tricky:
1. Log on to the IWSS web console.

I looked and googled for this console, but couldn't find it. Do you by chance know how I could open this console? I doubt I have the rights to change anything, but it would be worth a try.

Btw. I also tested Rapidminer on my computer at home - there its working like a charm (except for the problem with starting the Java virtual machine mentioned in the other thread). But well, having full control over your computer configuration is a bit different from being restricted in the company's network. And yeah, it also showed me how extremely useful the plugin would be which I can't use at work

Good weekend, you too!
Hanspeter

spitfire_ch

The problem seems to originate from the firewall (quoting another user: The problem exists with the firewall I am behind, which when downloading jar files adds the com/trend stuff.)

However, I don't have any privileges to change firewall settings.

I found some new information on the following site, which might provide a workaround:

http://faq.javaranch.com/java/HowCanAnAppletReadFilesOnTheLocalFileSystem

However, I am not a Java guy I don't understand most of it. It seems as if I could try to add CodeBases as PolicyEntries using policytool.exe. According to the following page http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/security/tour1/wstep2.html
I need to add the URL, name of the applet etc.

I tried already, but so far unsuccessful. My principal problem is that I don't really know what to add. For example, right at start up of rapid miner, I get an applet error concerning an applet wanting to connect to http://www.myexperiment.org/workflows.xml?num=100
So I added this URL, but have no idea how this applet is called like. I tried myexperiment, but that didn't work.

Is anyone familiar with this kind of information?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Best regards
Hanspeter

land

Hi,
might be it would be a solution to sign RapidMiner. Might be the settings would be different for known programs that can prove their identity.

Unfortunately we can't do much about the problem with the paren extension, because the source code is not under our control, but you could ask the community members who contributed it, if they could avoid creating new TaskGroups.

The applet wanting to connect to myexperiment is RapidMiner itself, so you simply should add the URL you are downloading RapidMiner from to the PolicyEntries.

Greetings,
Sebastian

spitfire_ch

Hi Sebastian

Thanks a lot for that hint, I will do as suggested and also try to contact the paren creators.

Greetings,
Hanspeter

spitfire_ch

EDIT: Apparanently, one has to add an entry to java.security to make it use custom policies. I did that, but still no luck

So far my policy contains the following entries:

/* AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED ON Tue Oct 26 15:11:04 CEST 2010*/
/* DO NOT EDIT */

grant codeBase "http://www.myexperiment.org/workflows.xml?num=100" {
  permission java.security.AllPermission;
};

grant codeBase "http://rapidupdate.de:80/UpdateServer" {
  permission java.security.AllPermission;
};

grant codeBase "http://www.myexperiment.org/" {
  permission java.security.AllPermission;
};

The major problem certainly is that I don't really know what I am doing - I am no Java guy. So I don't know whether I have added the correct URLs, whether I have added them the right way or not ... If anyone knows, please let me know

Best regards
Hanspeter

(old post:)

Hi Sebastian

I tried to add the RapidMiner Update location ( http://rapidupdate.de:80/UpdateServer ) to the policy, but so far to no avail. Then it dawned upon me that simply creating a policy file won't do the trick. I saved into the C:\Programme\Java\jre6\bin folder, but I fear it won't be used.

On the tutorial page ( http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/security/tour1/wstep3.html ) they say:

The examples in this lesson and in the Quick Tour of Controlling Applications lesson assume that you stored the policy file in the Test directory on the C: drive.

So, I guess that RapidMiner assumes the policy files to be in a specific location, too. Or would I even have to change code somewhere in order to get the policy file being used?

Any hints on that are greatly welcome.

Thank you very much and best regards
Hanspeter

land

Hi,
well actually I would have to take a deeper look into this matter as well. If you would be enterprise customer I could invest more time, but as you might understand, we cannot spend hours and hours to help people integrating the (service and guarantee free) community edition...

Greetings,
Sebastian

spitfire_ch

Hi,

yes, I certainly understand. But I think I am on the right track, now. I share this info although I am not an enterprise customer ;-) Matthias Reif from the PaREn-team suggested to look for the com\trend directory inside the jar files. I didn't know jar files are in fact zip files and by renaming it you can actually open them.

After some search I found the files in my personal folder:
c:\Documents and Settings\***\.RapidMiner5\managed\

It turns out, that the com\trend directory is not contained in rmx_paren-5.0.1.jar, but rather in rmx_parallel-5.0.1.jar, which PaREn depends upon. However, simply deleting the com\trend directory doesn't do the trick, because this causes another error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundErrcr: com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext

It appears, that TrendMicro automatically adds this directory to jar files when you download them from within a network that is protected by TrendMicro. At home, I don't use TrendMicro, so I will try to overwrite the jar-files at work with those from home (or maybe the entire rapidminer directory).

To avoid such problems for other users, you might offer alternative downloads for all extensions, that are usually installed by the update feature. Presumably, if you downloaded the extensions as zip files, rar files etc. instead of jar files, TrendMicro wouldn't add its annoying payload to them.

Maybe a change in the update-manager itself could do the trick, as well. Instead of fetching jar files, you could simply rename the files on your server to e.g. .txt files, fetch them by the update-manager and then rename them back to .jar on the users computer.

I know, I am not an enterprise customer, but these problems could certainly also occur to an enterprise customer. If anybody is behind paranoic shields such as TrendMicro and alike, it is enterprises

The above suggestions might help to avoid some trouble for these customers.

Best regards
Hanspeter

P.S. I will report here if the files from home did the trick.

land

Hi,
actually the Updates are fetched via HTTP, and stored in files with the ending .jar. But since they aren't fetched with name over the network I would rather assume, that TrendMicro runs on your local machine and "infects" the files locally. Don't think we should start cheating your own IT department, would do us any good, if the IT Departments are pissed

Did you try to ask some IT guy to actually sign the jar files? There must be some mechanism to allow the usage of jar files...

Greetings,
Sebastian

spitfire_ch

Hi Sebastian,
I could not find any try of TrendMicro on my local machine. That why I think the files got "infected" somewhere underway (we have to connect to the outside world through a proxy). However, not all the jar-files show the TrendMicro-"infection" (I like this term of yours for security software

. So there is also a slight possibility that the "infection" was in fact introduced by the developpers of the extensions themselves, but on a machine with "non-paranoid" security policies they wouldn't do any "harm". I will soon see if that's true when I am home. If it is, trying to convince the IT guys of signing the jar files is the last option left. If not and the files from home do the trick on my machine at work, I will probably be happy and let it be. Unless of course you require the information from our IT guys.

Well, I'll let you know, soon.

Best regards and thanks for your help
Hanspeter

spitfire_ch

Hi,
I just checked at home and the jar files here indeed do NOT contain the com\trend folder. So it must be the network of the company that "infects" the files. I now copied all the files related to rapidminer from my homecomputer and will see tomorrow if I can get it work on my computer at work.
Cheers
Hanspeter

EDIT: That did the trick. I replaced the files rmx_community-5.0.1.jar and rmx_parallel-5.0.1.jar with those from home. Now, everything is working fine

Thanks for the support ans best regards
Hanspeter

IngoRM

Hey, congrats! Good to know and thanks for your efforts in finding out a possible solution. It indeed seems that your company's firewall scans the data scream (even without the extension) and detected the fact that those are jar files before injecting the TrendMicro stuff. Good to know if somebody else gets the same problem.

Cheers,
Ingo

spitfire_ch

Thank you

Out of curiosity, I compared the original rmx_parallel-5.0.1 archive with the one changed by TrendMicro. It seems that TrendMicro not only adds the \com\trend folder, but additionally also changes the following files:

\com\rapidminer\ConcurrencyTools.class
\com\rapidminer\operator\executor\ParallelUnitExecutorService.class
\META-INF\MANIFEST.MF

This explains why simply deleting the added folder doesn't work.
I cannot properly open the .class files, but besides lots of undecodable code it adds stuff like
L(ILjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/Object;)V
·(com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext
addArg·>(Ljava/lang/Object;)Lcom/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext;
·(com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext!
getNextObjectArg·()V#$
"%·.com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/MiscPolicyRuntime'
preFilter·-(Lcom/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext;)V)*
(+·(com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext-
setResult·(Ljava/lang/Object;)V/0
.1·.com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/MiscPolicyRuntime3

etc.

And it adds a lot to the manifest:
ParseRule-Descriptor:
Implementation-Title: Parallel Processing
Group-Descriptor:
Initialization-Class: com.rapidminer.ParallelPluginInit
Implementation-Version: 5.0.001
Implementation-Vendor: Rapid-I

Name: com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/CallContext.class
SHA1-Digest: uXiE1WdbVnSNIDZoKzcaz3Qgnz8=
MD5-Digest: wgfF3q4DSU7oK1A+n9mPOg==

Name: com/trend/iwss/jscan/runtime/WindowPolicyRuntime.class
SHA1-Digest: sqlglw6roeTadEziV/lC1ne7Sjo=
MD5-Digest: nTt6cYdSI5vNuA/NfF2B9g==

etc.

Cheers,
Hanspeter