About HM, Flexible bodies

LOKESH KATARI
LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

In hypermesh, while creating the flexible bodies 

i wanted to use CMSMETH card CBN and CB Method

Now i wanted to know, will there be any difference in stiffness matrix in CBN and CB method?

Awaiting reply

Thank you

Answers

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Hi,

    the CB and CC methods are used for generating flexible bodies for use with some Multibody dynamics solvers, like MotionSolve. The CBN method can be used to generate CMS superelement information for some third-party solvers

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    ok sir, but i am using third party solver after converting into the flex body in which it used CB method

    so some stiffness difference is coming..!

    i want to know the difference so that i can use the sacling factor in that third party solver and get accurate results

    help me with this

    Awaiting reply

    thank you

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @LOKESH KATARI

     

    Here is some theory about CBN from OptiStruct. You can search for generalized Craig Bampton method for CB

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>cbn.png

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Sir can u help in creating flexible body in hypermesh ??

    what inputs and outputs cards should use

    Thank You

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Is it for MBD?

     

    If yes, Please check this tutorial OS-T: 1930 Generating Flexible Body for use in MotionSolve

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Sir i didnt get you where to check that OS-T:1930

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    i can see only MV-

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Which version of HyperWorks are you using?

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    13 sir

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Sir after using these model reduction methods 

    how do we know this model is DOF decreased or not?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Hi,

     

    I think CB comes with free free and constrained but CBN is not. 

     

    13.0 is very old. You can search for the tutorial with same title

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    while creating flexible bodies in optistruct for simpack

    i activated CBN and gave UB_FREQ 20 but i am getting 127modes and fbi file around 12GB 

    i need only 40 modes. how to decrease those modes?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Please provide NMODES and try again. 

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    yes sir  i tried still its showing more number 

    i am doing it for chassis sir

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    When i gave 12 NMODES after analysing its showing 114 modes created

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    When i gave 12 NMODES after analysing its showing 114 modes created

    please help me with this

    thank you

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @LOKESH KATARI

     

    Can you share the model file, please?

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    sir actually i am working in a company i cant share anyway it is 80Mb file commercial vehicle chassis

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @LOKESH KATARI

     

    if you remove the ASET you should get the same number of modes as specified in NMODES.

     

    The extra modes are the number of FEM DOF that are in the interface. 

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Sir with the help of ASET only i can generate markers in simpack!

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    OK, If you are using other than CBN and GYUAN, the number of modes without ASET is equal to what you get. 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    I think the same applies to CBN also. 

  • LOKESH KATARI
    LOKESH KATARI Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    ok sir

  • Nirbhay_22070
    Nirbhay_22070 Altair Community Member
    edited March 2020

    Hello,

     

    I need help!

    I am working in optistruct and have used CBN method to make flexbody. I need to use the file in SIMPACK for MBS. Can anyone tell me, how to generate fbi format in hypermesh.

     

    Thanks in advance