Incompatible Part,Mat and Prop, More Than One Element Type in Comp

Crashphys
Crashphys Altair Community Member
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi,

 

I am attempting to work with SPH to get stresses in the side walls of a hopper car. When I run my model (attached), I get the following error. The model checker says that there components with more than one element type for half of my shell components. The other half have the error 'Part, Mat, and prop incompatible.' I used the mask toolbar to see if there are any other elements than 2D, however it doesn't find any. Please let me know if you have suggestions.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

.. BLOCK FREE FORMAT

 .. STARTER RUNNING ON    1 THREAD
 .. CONTROL VARIABLES
ERROR ID :          286
** ERROR IN INPUT CONSISTENCY
DESCRIPTION :
   QUAD ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH N2D3D=0
 .. UNITS SYSTEM
 .. MATERIALS
 .. NODES
 .. PROPERTIES
 .. 2D SOLID ELEMENTS
 .. 3D SHELL ELEMENTS
 .. 3D TRIANGULAR SHELL ELEMENTS
 .. SPH PARTICLES DEFINITION
 .. SUBSETS
 .. ELEMENT GROUPS
 .. PART GROUPS
 .. SURFACES
 .. NODE GROUP
 .. BOUNDARY CONDITIONS
 .. INITIAL VELOCITIES
 .. DOMAIN DECOMPOSITION
 .. ELEMENT GROUPS
 .. INTERFACES
 .. INTERFACE BUFFER INITIALIZATION
 .. RIGID BODIES
 .. RETURNS TO DOMAIN DECOMPOSITION FOR OPTIMIZATION
 .. DOMAIN DECOMPOSITION
 .. ELEMENT GROUPS
 .. INTERFACES
 .. INTERFACE BUFFER INITIALIZATION
 .. RIGID BODIES
 .. ELEMENT BUFFER INITIALIZATION
ERROR ID :          227
** ERROR IN QUAD ELEMENT
 ** ERROR TRAPPED : REPORT TO LISTING FILE
ERROR ID :          760

 ==== End of solver screen output ==== 


 ==== Job completed ==== 


 

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  • Crashphys
    Crashphys Altair Community Member
    edited March 2019

    Update:

     

    I solved the majority of the above problems, however now I am getting Error 668 and 53 when I run it. See attached.

     

    Thanks in advance.

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2020

    Hi

    Please attach the .0000.out file and correct input file ,The attached model doesn't have SPH elements

    there are few free edges in the model do correct it 

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    Regarding error 668 and 53 go through these post

    https://community.altair.com/community?id=community_question&sys_id=22864c3a1b2bd0908017dc61ec4bcbff

    https://community.altair.com/community?id=community_question&sys_id=a996807a1b2bd0908017dc61ec4bcba0

  • Crashphys
    Crashphys Altair Community Member
    edited March 2019

    Hi Pooja,

     

    Thank you for the help. It seems for some reason my SPH was not defined as an /SPHCEL, so it was not working properly. Here is the updated model with all internal free edges resolved. My problem now is that the simulation takes 5 days to complete (and so I cannot attach a complete .out file). Is this due to the high volume of elements? Do I need to coarsen my mesh or conduct a model order reduction?

     

    Thanks,

    Ayman

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited March 2019

    Hi

    0000.out is the file which gives the summary of the FE model created (property, materials, parts, contacts, time step...) and summary of load cases in the form of warnings and/or error messages , 

     please do attach the 0001.rad file to check about the run time , do cross verify the unit system consistency before  carry out the run  

  • Simon Križnik
    Simon Križnik Altair Community Member
    edited March 2019

    Hi,

     

    in explicit method the timestep is affected by characteristic element length, stiffness and density. Please go through the timestep chapter in Free eBook: Crash Analysis With RADIOSS – A Study Guide

     

    In the model you shared there are rings of very narrow elements with bad aspect ratios and smaller characteristic element length penalizing timestep. Remeshing these areas is recommended.

     

    In the edited model attached I have set up nodal mass scaling (DT/NODA/CST) and advanced mass scaling (AMS and DT/AMS). Note that AMS does not increase time step of SPH.

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  • Crashphys
    Crashphys Altair Community Member
    edited October 2020

    Hi,

     

    Sorry for the late reply, not sure if this thread is still active. I got rid of the narrow elements, however I have some geometry that is very stubborn. I may need to delete certain elements in non-critical areas and replace them with MPCs. The thing is, I have been unable to find specifically how to create MPCs in RADIOSS on the forum aside from here:

     

    https://community.altair.com/community?id=dd86c83a1b2bd0908017dc61ec4bcbbf

     

    I also tried to find any webinars on it. The link in the above thread is dead.

     

    Could anyone advise me on how to create MPCs?

     

    Thanks in advance!