Radial forces in Flux for SRM (Fr for vibration)

Mohammad Ehsan Abdollhai
Mohammad Ehsan Abdollhai Altair Community Member
edited January 2021 in Community Q&A

Hi
I am using Altair flux for measuring the radial forces (for vibration analysis)

I have to options: 

1. Mechanical Analysis Context (image)
2. Calculate it from Br and Bh (maxwell tensor)

 

The problem is that the results are not the same and I don't know how to verify them. 

pic1: the yellow high lighted area is the path for Fr calculation.

image

 

pic2: Result of Fr from "Mechanical Analysis Context":

image

pic3: result from maxwell tensor equation:

image

Code for Maxwell tensor (based on Br and Bt):

%%maxwell equation:

dFr = (Br.*Br - Bt.*Bt)/(2*mu0);

Fr = dFr .* area;     %area is the 3d mesh area for each sensor position

 

 

Thank you in advance

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Answers

  • Farid zidat_20516
    Farid zidat_20516
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021

    Hello; 

    To get the radial and tangential component of the electromagnetic forces ont the tooth please use the ne new Import/ export context, and then compute the magnetic forces on an imported mechanical mesh.

    You can compute the global magnetic force by tooth.

     

    Please follow the steps indicated on the help:

    image

    as well as the available tutorials:

    image

     

     

    I hope this will help you

     

    Best regards 

  • Mohammad Ehsan Abdollhai
    Mohammad Ehsan Abdollhai Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Hello; 

    To get the radial and tangential component of the electromagnetic forces ont the tooth please use the ne new Import/ export context, and then compute the magnetic forces on an imported mechanical mesh.

    You can compute the global magnetic force by tooth.

     

    Please follow the steps indicated on the help:

    image

    as well as the available tutorials:

    image

     

     

    I hope this will help you

     

    Best regards 

    Hi
    Thanks for your kind answer. 
    I don't have problem with exporting the forces to hyper mesh. I want to verify them with the theory to make sure that the position of my path is correct. Is there difference between the forces measured on the imported support and the path that I define in the flux? 

    I tried different paths but I can't verify them with Maxwell tensor. I will attache the paths that I tried:
    image

    The formula that I use for maxwell radail forces:

    image

    To make sure that the magnetic fields are correct, I used the Ft to calculate Torque and it was the same as the electromechanical torque that the FLUX shows.

    Thanks in advance
    Ehsan,

  • Farid zidat_20516
    Farid zidat_20516
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021

    Hello Mohammed;

     

    You are welcome!

     

    Actually the path should be located in the air gap. So you have first to compute the magnetic pressure thanks to Maxwell Tensor, and then compute the magnetic force thanks the area of the tooth. But, in our computation, we include also the magnetic pressure under the slot openning.

     

    I hope this is more clear for you now.

     

    Regards