Probe Follower pressure

Alphald
Alphald Altair Community Member
edited July 2021 in Community Q&A

can anyone help me to simulate a probe follower pressure

I created two cylinders and the small one is probe. I want to create a suction in the probe like suction tube.

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1 、is it right to create pressure with "nodes on face" ?  I select the top nodes (the small circle in probe) I want.

2、how to create a follower pressure like "B" ? I set LGDISP and FLLWER by "Follower force in Altair OptiStruct - YouTube"  and don't work.

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  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021

    This setup should work fine. Verify your PARAM > FLLWER = 1

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  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021

    This setup should work fine. Verify your PARAM > FLLWER = 1

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    And be aware of the message in the .out file that follower force is turned on by default when using large displacement. Set it =0 if you want to see the difference.

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  • Alphald
    Alphald Altair Community Member
    edited July 2021

    This setup should work fine. Verify your PARAM > FLLWER = 1

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    Thank you so much! That's the result I want

    But when I run non linear with my model, I got this

    *** ERROR # 4965 ***
    Maximum number of time increment cutbacks reached,
    analysis aborted.

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    111.out 14.2K
  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021
    Alphald said:

    Thank you so much! That's the result I want

    But when I run non linear with my model, I got this

    *** ERROR # 4965 ***
    Maximum number of time increment cutbacks reached,
    analysis aborted.

    You seem to have rigid body motion as you don't have any constraint in thy X-Z plane.

    You can monitor your non-converged increments with the NLMON card.
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  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021

    You seem to have rigid body motion as you don't have any constraint in thy X-Z plane.

    You can monitor your non-converged increments with the NLMON card.
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    The displacement error tolerance is too high which is a clue to the rigid body motion as well

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  • Alphald
    Alphald Altair Community Member
    edited July 2021

    You seem to have rigid body motion as you don't have any constraint in thy X-Z plane.

    You can monitor your non-converged increments with the NLMON card.
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    Thank you.

    I don't set the dof1 and dof3 because I want the translational motion of X-Z.

    I set all dof in constraint and it work.

    As a result of displacement

    linear non-dof1,3: 0.05

    linear all dof:0.044

    non-linear(follower force): 0.048

    I can't get the results as yours: 0.22 - 0.84

    and the shape is more like the right side (nofollower)

  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021
    Alphald said:

    Thank you.

    I don't set the dof1 and dof3 because I want the translational motion of X-Z.

    I set all dof in constraint and it work.

    As a result of displacement

    linear non-dof1,3: 0.05

    linear all dof:0.044

    non-linear(follower force): 0.048

    I can't get the results as yours: 0.22 - 0.84

    and the shape is more like the right side (nofollower)

    You can't have rigid body motion in a nl static analysis. You could possibly try inertial relief?

  • Alphald
    Alphald Altair Community Member
    edited July 2021

    You can't have rigid body motion in a nl static analysis. You could possibly try inertial relief?

    Thank you. It seems like more difficult.

    I try to simulate the suction of the skin. I don‘t want the whole model to move. But I think the mesh in the surface should move a little to the centre at x-z when suctioning.

    Maybe I'll try to do some changes for constraint to remove rigid body motion.

     

    Another question: Is there a way to see the process of suction and suction-stop.

    something like time-displacement graph.

    I had try to make a curve  pressure (2s on and 2s off)

    But I only got the final results.(2s max 2s 0)

  • Jason_Craanen
    Jason_Craanen
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2021
    Alphald said:

    Thank you. It seems like more difficult.

    I try to simulate the suction of the skin. I don‘t want the whole model to move. But I think the mesh in the surface should move a little to the centre at x-z when suctioning.

    Maybe I'll try to do some changes for constraint to remove rigid body motion.

     

    Another question: Is there a way to see the process of suction and suction-stop.

    something like time-displacement graph.

    I had try to make a curve  pressure (2s on and 2s off)

    But I only got the final results.(2s max 2s 0)

    Yes, now you are getting into the transient analysis. 

    Please take a look at some tutorials on it. Here is a good place to start.

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