How change the Element Type and Order in Hypermesh

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    how can I know if the SOLIDs are in Correct order or not?!

     

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    how can I know if the SOLIDs are in Correct order or not?!

     

     

    Maybe try menu Tools>Model Checker

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    No no, update 'Property' for your Meshing component !

    the components have No Property, still I have to create a new Property and update it?!!

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  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Yes please update the component with the appropriate property.

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thanks for your answer.

    can you please tell which one is the apropiate Property,

    for example if the Element Type is SOLID 45 (Tetra4 for 1.Ordet Elements), the Appropriate Proprty is solid45p ?!

    and after that I have to export the Model and Run the Analysis in ANSYS ?

    thanks alot

     

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Yes. Please refer to help for more information also.

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thanks,
    at your Screenshot i see that the ansys type of tetra10 is SOLID95 (because the Property was SOLID45p) you think that I have to change the Element type my model from Tetra10(2.Order Elements) wich are SOLID187 to SOLID95 and after that change the Order from SOLID95 to SOLID 45 ?

    thanks for your helping

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Can you please try to convert the Tetra 10 elements to tetra 4. then convert the tetra 4 to SOLID45p.

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    My Model is a very Big and have 187 Components, I have to change the Order only in few Components,not all of them.
    as I learned from you , to change the Order I have to Right Click on Component and then Edit it(Edit Card and select SOLID 45 and SOLID45p For Property,)then export the Model, and Run in ANSYS.

    For this Issue I Create a new Component and move that parts of model , which have to be changed to 1. Order in this new Component, and as I wrote up Right Click on this new Component and...

    My Question is that, for this new Component tha I Create by myself, which MAT I have to determine? (each of the Components,that are inside of this new Component have seprate MAT and Property)

    Thanks for your helping me

     

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    For this Issue I Create a new Component and move that parts of model , which have to be changed to 1. Order in this new Component, and as I wrote up Right Click on this new Component and...

    My Question is that, for this new Component tha I Create by myself, which MAT I have to determine?

    IF this is the issue then place the model parts with different MAT and PROP under different Components.

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    can you please a littbe bit explain?
    am I right understand? : I Put all this Components(For exmple 6 Components that I Selected from my Model) and define new MAT and new PROP for this new Component?

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    If the 6 Components (parts of your assembly) that you mention have same MAT and PROPERTIES then you can put all of them under one component but if they dont have same MAT and PROPERTIES you have to arrange them under separate COMPONENTS in HM and then assign them the appropriate MAT and PROPERTIES.

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thanks,
    The Problem ist exactly what you say,
    I think because the MAT and PROP of the Components are diffrent, I have to create for each Component separate new Component, and then chage the Order.

    But the Problem is : from 187 Component, I have to change the Order of  181 Components from 2.order to 1.order ( Tetra 10 (SOLID 187) to Tetra4(SOLID45) ).

    I have to create 181 new Component?!!! there is no other solution?

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    If there is some other way i will ask some experts and get back to you as soon as i can.

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thanks a lot

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    I changed the Order and for each 181 Component :

    *Right Click/Edit Card/ select ET-Type (Wich is SOLID45)

    *Right Click on Component/Edit/Propery/ Select the new Property(Wich is SOLID45p)

    *Export the Model

    want to open it in Hypermesh, bit it can't open, and write this Error:

    then it remain only one way: Create 181 new Component with MAT and PROP, and move each of these Components in this New self created Components !!! after that do the same Process that I wrote up.

    BUT its really not Reasonable.

    Hope You have some good news to me.

    thanks for rour helping.

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    Yes. Please refer to help for more information also.

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    This Model has 102 Property all of them are TARGET 170P

    when I create new Component and as you told want to define the Property  SOLID45P, I get the warrning about the Mix Property.should I define the Prppery again TARGET 170P and change the order (tO 1. Order, Tetra4) and export the model?

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Hello,

     

    Please follow the following procedure:

     

    1. You are in OptiStruct profile. Change the 2nd Order Elements to 1st Order elements using 

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    2. Now you have 1st Order elements.

     

    3. Now go to Tools>>Convert>>OptiStruct>>To Ansys

     

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    4. Click on Convert

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    This will convert the element type.

     

    Please refer the attached video for further assistance.

     

    Thankyou

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thanks a lot, I do it now

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    I dont have in Tools/Convert/OptiStruct

    maybe because of the old version of my Hypermesh.

    then which Option I have to choose?

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  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Please click as shown in image

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    Radioss Bulk data format is nothing but OptiStruct

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    unfortunately it doesn't work again !!!

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  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    What are you doing exactly after converting to Ansys?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    I want to open it again I Hypermesh

     

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    when you are opening in HyperMesh again please check that before you open your model, your user profile should be set to Ansys. 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    i did it

    but this Error appears and dont allow to open the Model.

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Please share the model.

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    Sorry I am Not allow to do it, I really be appriciat if you give me your tipps from hier.thanks a lot

     

  • Sanjay Nainani_20973
    Sanjay Nainani_20973 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2018

    Hello,

     

    I tried the process in my machine on a sample model and the export as well as import is working fine for me.

     

    I would suggest you to upgrade your HyperMesh as I saw you were using 11.0 

     

    Thankyou

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2018

    thank you.

    it could be the Version Issue, But I have to do it in this Version and can't update it.