How change the Element Type and Order in Hypermesh

Altair Forum User

Hello ,

I want to change 2. Order Elemets to 1.Order Elements in Hyper Mesh, I did it and export this new Model.
when I open this model(1. Order Elements) in Hypermesh, the Elements are not shown.

I tried to change the Element Type from SOLID187 to SOLID72 but, even at this time the Elements are not displayed.and the Elemet Types are still SOLID187.

my perpose is that I have to Run the new model(with 1.Order Elements) in Ansys, but with this Problem, ansys don't Run.

could you please tell me how can I solve this Problem?

 

Sanjay Nainani_20973

Hello,

 

In HyperMesh go to '3D' page and there go to 'order change' panel. This panel lets you change the order of your elements.

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

 

Please try this

 

Thankyou

Altair Forum User

Thanks Sanjay,

I did this , but the Problem is that, when I change the Order and export it, and want to open it again, these Elements don't shown.

for solving this Problem I change the Element Type.(SOLID187 to SOLID72)and change the Order, and export the Model, but again when I open it, These Elements are still SOLID178 and dont shown.

 

I think we have to find a specific way to change the Element Type, that saved in Model.with regular wayis not Possible.

 

thanks for your helping

Sanjay Nainani_20973

Hello,

 

Can you please share the .hm file i will have a look at this.

 

Thankyou

Altair Forum User

I show a Picture here to see what happened when I changes 2.order to 1.ordet, and export the model and open it again and see the model like this.!

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Altair Forum User

before changing the order the element type is TETRA10 , SOLID185 (Picture1),
I change the <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>2. Order to 1.Order and the Element Type is Tetra4, SOLID45 (Picture2)

I export the model in .cdb file and open it again, the Model look like the above Picture, (Picture3) and the Element Type is still SOLID185.

but how it is possible ?!!!! thanks for your helping.

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Sanjay Nainani_20973

Hello,

 

After changing the order type as stated in the below post

Altair Forum User said:

Hello,

 

In HyperMesh go to '3D' page and there go to 'order change' panel. This panel lets you change the order of your elements.

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

 

Please try this

 

Thankyou

 

 

In Ansys Solver go to Utility Browser and then to 'ET Type'

 

There create a new ET Type 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

 

Assign the ET Type with Element type you want to change it to.

 

Then go in the model browser and select that ET Type in the 'Type' field for the respective component.

 

 

 

Now Export your model.

 

Thankyou

Altair Forum User

thanks but where is Ansys Solver and Utility Browser ?!!

Sanjay Nainani_20973

Go to View Menu:

Check Utility Menu Option

 

It will then appear next to the Model Browser

 

 

 

I noticed that you are using v 11.0, please upgrade to 2017 as it is the latest one available.

 

 

Thankyou

Altair Forum User

Altair Forum User said:

Then go in the model browser and select that ET Type in the 'Type' field for the respective component.

 

 

can you please tell me now where is ET Type in Model Browse?!

 

Sanjay Nainani_20973

ET type is in Utility Browser.

 

After creating an ET Type you need to go in Model Browser and then update the particular Component with that particular ET Type. 

Altair Forum User

I create a new ET Type , but can't see the last screen shot that you sent me.Actually I dont know where I have to go to do the update for this Component!!

 

Sanjay Nainani_20973

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

 

In the Model Browser.

Select the Component 

Then In Properties>>Type

 

Please refer the image.

Altair Forum User

I click right on the Component and select Edit.

This Component have no Properties !(Maybe !)

I have to create new  Property?

 

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Sanjay Nainani_20973

Can you please check if it coming under Component Section.

 

if not right click the component and select Card Edit and then select the ET Type there.

 

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Altair Forum User

yes the Property is there, but when I Right Click on the particular property and select Edit, dont bring that page to change the ET Type

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Sanjay Nainani_20973

Dont right click on the property. You have to right click on the component and then select 'CARD EDIT'

Altair Forum User

Thaks alot, its Done

 

 

Altair Forum User

Hello,I change the 1.Ordet Element Type to SOLID45 but its not Running in ANSYS.

the 2. Order Elemet Type was  SOLID187, to which element Type I have to Change in 1.Order?

Tetra10 = SOLID 187

Tetra4 =?

 

thanks for your Helping.

 

Q.Nguyen-Dai

Altair Forum User said:

Hello,I change the 1.Ordet Element Type to SOLID45 but its not Running in ANSYS.

the 2. Order Elemet Type was  SOLID187, to which element Type I have to Change in 1.Order?

Tetra10 = SOLID 187

Tetra4 =?

 

thanks for your Helping.

 

 

SOLID164? 

https://www.sharcnet.ca/Software/Ansys/17.0/en-us/help/ans_elem/Hlp_E_SOLID164.html

or SOLID45?

http://www.ansys.stuba.sk/html/elem_55/chapter4/ES4-45.htm

Altair Forum User

thanks for your Answer,but its not working , and the Model changed like this, and its still SOLID187 !

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Q.Nguyen-Dai

Hey, after changing your elements to 1st order (3D => order change ), you HAVE to :

• Define a new 'Sensor' for 1st order type element. I take SOLID45 as example

• Define a new 'Property' for SOLID45 type:

• Update your 1st order component:

 

Here're my tests models:          

 

HTH

 

 

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Altair Forum User

Thanks, but I did it From another way.
the Problem is that, ANSYS cant run the Analys when the 1. Order are SOLID 45 or SOLID 164.

the Second Order is Solid 187

Dont know how can I fix this Problem.

 

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Q.Nguyen-Dai

Read my post ... carefully!

After defining 'Type' and 'Property', you have to update your 1st order component yet?

 

Altair Forum User

yes I update the Element Type.I select here SOLID164

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Altair Forum User

The problem is that, ANSYS cant determeined  the SOLID 164, First Order.
and when I changed to SOLID 45 , it start to run but after a while stops, because of Element Type !

I think non of SOLID 164 and SOLID45 is Correct !

 

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Q.Nguyen-Dai

No no, update 'Property' for your Meshing component !

Altair Forum User

thanks for your answer, How can I exactly Update the Property?

 

Altair Forum User

I want to create the new Sensor, but dont know how ! I cant see the screenshots that you sent to me, maybe I use the older Version. 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

Altair Forum User

I did what you told me, but I still have this Error messege in ANSYS and it stop analysis after 10 min.

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Sanjay Nainani_20973

Altair Forum User said:

thanks for your answer, How can I exactly Update the Property?

 

You can update the property by simply right clicking on the property and Card Edit.

 

 

Altair Forum User said:

I want to create the new Sensor, but dont know how ! I cant see the screenshots that you sent to me, maybe I use the older Version. 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

You can create a new ET_Type by simply going to 'Tools>>EtTypes Table'. Sensor is nothing but the EtType Table.

 

 

Altair Forum User said:

I did what you told me, but I still have this Error messege in ANSYS and it stop analysis after 10 min.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

For this please export the deck. Then open the exported file in a text editor and check whether the Solids are of the correct order or not. If not then simply edit them in the Text editor Only.

 

 

Thankyou