Material orientations. Mat-prop compatibility.

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi @Prakash Pagadala

I have two issues to solve.

 

1) I don't know how to define material orientations successfully. I have seen many forum questions about this issue. I cannot define material properties as in Optistruct (2d - composite - material properties - define a base vector). In property type10 SH_COMP I have defined the vector which should be the 0º direction. Is this correct? It doesn't seem to be correct when I try to visualize it with the option 'Composite Layers with Fiber Directions'. 

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2) Error 495 shows up when I run CHECK option. 

- Material law25 COMPSH is defined. 

- Property type10 SH_COMP is defined. 

- In the reference guide says this pair should have compatibility. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    This message shows up when this error occurs: 

    ** ERROR IN PROPERTY
    DESCRIPTION :
       -- PROPERTY ID : 1
       -- PROPERTY TITLE : sh_comp
          -- MATERIAL ID : 1
          -- MATERIAL TITLE : carbon fiber
       INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN GLOBAL INTEGRATION AND MATERIAL LAW TYPE=25

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    Did you assign thickness in the property card?. If  not, please assign and try running again.

    If the issue persist please share the model file through the secure dropbox.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi @George P Johnson,

    Do I have to assign the total thickness? I mean, imagine I have a surface with two plies and a laminate (same as I would do with Optistruct) and each ply is 0.21 thick. Do I have to enter 0.21 or 0.42?

     

    Is it ok to leave the other parameters in blank?

     

    Thanks

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    You have to assign the total shell thickness, ie in this case 0.42. Please assign this and try running.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi, 

    Thanks, that seems to work. 

    In relation with question 1). Do you know how can I define material orientation? 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    For /PROP/TYPE10,  the material orientation is updated based on the vector base node and end node selected by the user.

    And it seems to be fine in your property card. If still you find wrong in material orientation please share the file so that we can review.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    You have to assign the total shell thickness, ie in this case 0.42. Please assign this and try running.

    Hi, 

    What if it has different thickness around the model? I have assigned different ply dimensions for each

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    For a component when you use /PROP/TYPE10 card use the total thickness of the plies used to model that component.

    For different components you have to assign different property cards.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi, 

    But what if I have different thicknesses on the same component? Imagine: at a height of 2mm there are four two of, at a height of 4mm there are four plies and at a height of 6mm there are six plies of carbon fiber. 

     

    And what happens if I put a different thickness when creating a ply by error?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    In such a case you can try with ply and stack approach.

    I recommend you to go through the Help Menu on composite modelling where the modelling approaches with materials and properties are discussed.

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>compo.PNG

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi, 

    Thanks, I understand that with RADIOSS 2017 I can only use thick shell property, and it's quite confusing.

     

    I have read that there is a new property PCOMPP as in optistruct!!! Is it true? Which version do I have to download to be able to use this property? I believe that with this property I won't have this problem. 

     

    Thanks

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    This property card is not yet supported in HyperMesh. Mostly in the next release this card will be included.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi, 

    I have created many properties PROP/PLY for each ply and a property PROP/STACK for the hole laminate. 

    The PROP/PLY doesn't let me choose the elements to refer the ply... Do you know how can I do it?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Sorry @George P Johnson

     

    I have another problem with time step, I think. Error starts to increase and remaining time increases aswell, so the simulation is instable. I am using /DT_NODA/CST with Tsca=0.9 and Tmin=1e-7. 

    image.png.25d29359f0bab10ac9635dfa4bca3a41.png

    I have tried also to change Tscale to another values in orther to achieve a smaller time step, but it doesn't work. The simulation always fails. How can I choose a correct time step for a simulation?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2017

    Hi,

    The PROP/PLY doesn't let me choose the elements to refer the ply... Do you know how can I do it?

    From the ply creation card you have the option to select the elements. What error you are getting when you try to select the elements?.

     

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>ply.PNG

     

    Regarding the time step query:

    The best practice to follow while choosing the Tmin, that is the target time step is the mass error of the model should be less than 5% (0.05). From the engine out you can monitor the mass error.

    Put the Tsca as 0.9 and choose the target time step by reviewing the initial time step of the model from the starter out file. Please go through https://altairuniversity.com/learning-library/considerations-about-time-step/ which is a webinar showing time step calculation in RADIOSS.

    If the simulation still fails, then please upload the starter and engine out (_0000.out and _0001.out) files.

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>TS.PNG

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020

    Hi @George P Johnson

    There are some cases where the simulation runs, and others doesn't. This are starter and engine out files from a simulation that doesn't work right... I have tried with different time step combinations, but it always fails. 

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi,

    The starter out seems fine, but please check for any incompatible kinematic conditions in the model.In the engine out you can notice that the energy error also rises to 99% and incompatible kinematic conditions can be a cause.

    Please check the final animation file generated. And check if the component has a weird behavior.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi, 
    I have changed boundary conditions until not having any warning. Still doesn't work... 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi,

    Can you please share the model file so that we can review the same.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi, 

    I have shared the .hm file in your secure file dropbox.

    Thanks

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi,

    I have mailed my observations with the model shared.