Transient temperature flow through material

Altair Forum User
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edited November 2020 in Community Q&A

Hello,

 

I am having difficultly to construct a model that shows temperature flow through a material. Attached is my model. I have one surface (bottom) at 100 degrees and initial condition of 25 degrees. It produces an output but it's not correct. Any ideas?

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  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    Hi @Tom.Mansell

     

    Can you please follow the tutorial OS-T: 1090: Linear Transient Heat Transfer Analysis of an Extended Surface Heat Transfer Fin and check if this helps?

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    Hello @Prakash Pagadala

     

    I've looked at the tutorial for guidance and that's got me to where I am now. That example is a lot more complicated than mine which may be why I'm getting stuck.

     

    Any other guidance?

     

    Cheers,

    Tom 

     

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Tom.Mansell

     

    OK, I will check the model you shared. 

     

    Please share the expected results. 

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited November 2020

    Hi @Prakash Pagadala

     

    Attached is my latest attempted, following OS-T: 1090 example

     

    I expect that at t=0 the temp of system will be 25°, as time increases the boundary where temperature is at 100° will slowly heat up transferring through the component, from x=0 to x=10.

     

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  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018
  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    Hello @Prakash Pagadala

     

    I'm getting this error importing the model. Is there a way to open this file?

     

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Capture.PNG

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    Hello @Prakash Pagadala

     

    I'm getting this error importing the model. Is there a way to open this file?

     

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Capture.PNG

    And that is what I am after, lets hope I can open it!

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited November 2020

    Hi,

     

    Please try this solver file. 

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  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Prakash Pagadala

     

    I can see what you have done and where I was going wrong thank you.

     

    However, the model still won't run - see error message below.

     

     

     

     There were 400 error messages during input processing.
      The first message is repeated below:


      *** See next message about line 484 from file:
          W:/Stress Analysis/T Mansell/Practice 7.hm
       'CQUAD4         1       0     126     131     122     123'

      *** ERROR # 1000 *** in the input data:
      Incorrect data in field # 3.

     

     

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    Hi,

     

    Looks like while exporting Property is missed out, sorry about that. 

     

    Can you check the component whether property is assigned or not,

     

    If not, please assign the property and run again. 

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Prakash Pagadala

     

    Thank you for your help, I will try develop this model further.

     

    However, the model initial start temperature is 0, although set to 25?

     

    When you load the model up it is correct on frame one/t=0, but as soon as its cycled through time it adjusts to 0° at frame 2

     

    Cheers,

    Tom

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Tom.Mansell

     

    You are right, let me investigate on that. 

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Tom.Mansell

     

    You are right, let me investigate on that. 

    Thank you

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Prakash Pagadala

     

    Any update on this?

     

    Cheers

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited May 2018

    @Tom.Mansell

     

    I will check with experts on this. 

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    @Tom.Mansell

     

    I will check with experts on this. 

    @Prakash Pagadala

     

    Have we got anything back?

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited November 2020

    I think this is related to timestep setting.I tried with N=39 and DT=5.

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  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    @Rahul R

     

    Hello Rahul,

     

    I have viewed the analysis you have completed however the same problem persists (Initial temperature of 0)

     

    Cheers,

    Tom

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    Hi @Tom.Mansell

     

    Sorry, I completely missed this. 

     

    I tried modifying the model but still, I have the same result. Let me check with experts on this. 

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    Hi @Tom.Mansell

     

    Sorry, I completely missed this. 

     

    I tried modifying the model but still, I have the same result. Let me check with experts on this. 

    @Prakash Pagadala

     

    Any update on this?

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    We checked with experts and it seems the heat capacity on material is missing. We can add a warning in this case. 

    Also, pay attention to the following warning in the out file.

    *** WARNING # 5062

    Non-zero SPC will be considered as zero SPC for transient thermal

     analysis, except when used to specify ambient point for convection.

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    Hello @Rahul R

     

    Same problem with the heat capacity of material defined.

     

    Thanks for the help but I'm still stuck here.

     

    Tom

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    Could share the value of heat capacity defined in your model.

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited November 2020

    @Rahul R

     

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>MAT4.PNG

     

     

    Edit: Attached model

     

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  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    Please make sure that these units are consistent.BTW what unit system you are maintaining here.

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    @Rahul R

     

    SI unit systems,

     

    Distance: mm

    Thermal Conductivity: W/m°C = tonne.mm/s3°C

    Heat Capacity: Jkg/°C = kg2m2/s2°C = tonne2mm2/s2°C

    Density: tonne/mm3

    Temperature: °C

     

     

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited June 2018

    Thanks for sharing the details with us. I had escalated this to the development team. I guess this must be a model specific issue. I will update you once I get any response from the team.

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    Thanks for sharing the details with us. I had escalated this to the development team. I guess this must be a model specific issue. I will update you once I get any response from the team.

    Thank you @Rahul R.

     

    Please let me know as soon as you have an update

  • Altair Forum User
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    edited June 2018

    @Rahul R

     

    Any feed back from the developers?