Difference in stress contours in Shell and hex elements

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited November 2020 in Community Q&A

Hello Everybody,

I am trying to experiment with a 4 mm thick plate (100 mm length, 50 mm width) having cantilever support at one end and a dynamic force applied at the other end. The .hm files and the force curve is attached for the reference. 

I have two cases: 

1) The plate meshed completely hex elements (8 noded hex)

2) The plate meshed with the shell elements (4 noded quad)

 

The force is applied at 26 nodes of conc. nature as shown in the figure

I am getting different contours in both the cases. Why am I getting so, please explain?

 

 

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Hex1.PNG

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Hex2.PNG

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Hex3.PNG

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Shell1.PNG

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Shell2.PNG

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>ForceVsTime.PNG

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Answers

  • QuyNguyenDai
    QuyNguyenDai Altair Community Member
    edited November 2017

    How about Stress plots of Upper/Lower layers of shell model?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    How about Stress plots of Upper/Lower layers of shell model?

    how to get it ?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi,

    Can you try the same with OptiStruct?.

    Meanwhile I will check this and will update you.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Hi @ank

     

    Results from OptiStruct

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>solidshell.PNG

  • QuyNguyenDai
    QuyNguyenDai Altair Community Member
    edited November 2017

    In fact, it's not so simple to compare. In case of shell element, you have stress on upper/lower layers. But in case of solid element, the stress in general is not computed at surface. In my previous tests, I have to apply a very thin skin on solid element to capture the membrane stress which can be compared to shell stress.

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    I agree with @Q.Nguyen-Dai 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    what is required and which one is more correct ?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    Instead, think about when to use what :)/emoticons/default_smile.png' srcset='/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x' title=':)' width='20'> 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2017

    i think instead of max in case of shell element if we apply average then it is more comparable.

  • QuyNguyenDai
    QuyNguyenDai Altair Community Member
    edited November 2017

    No.

    Max/Min/Average in case of shell stress will be computed between layers.

    To be comparable, you have to compare solid stress of upper face to shell stress of upper layer, and so on.