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How to define the time step size using CFL number

User: "Mudassir khan"
Altair Community Member
Updated by Mudassir khan

Dear Experts 

Greetings 

I am working on the transient dam break multiphase flow. For faster and accurate simulation I need to set the optimum mesh size and time step. how to decide the time step using CFL number. Suppose I have to simulate the transient flow of with maximum front velocity 2m/s. I could not understand what should be the value of maximum velocity fector and mesh scale. Further it is transient turbulent flow whose CFL number must be less than 1. Plz guide to choose correct time step in my case.

 

Thanks in Anticiaption

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    User: "Payal Pawar_20288"
    Altair Employee
    Updated by Payal Pawar_20288

    Hi

    Please let me know what Altair product you are using so that I can direct your question to the proper forum.

    User: "Mudassir khan"
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    Updated by Mudassir khan

    I am using HWCFD

    User: "Jagan"
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    Updated by Jagan

    Step Size = (Smallest Mesh Length*CFL number)/Velocity

    if you using Hyperworks CFD you could use the inbuilt calculator present in the Physics Tab.

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    Good Luck.

    User: "acupro"
    Altair Employee
    Updated by acupro

    As a general rule, you won't need to limit this to CFL=1.  The solution will remain stable and accurate with a much higher CFL number - so long as you have the mesh to resolve flow gradients, and time step to resolve the changes in time.

    User: "Ingeniorator"
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    Updated by Ingeniorator

    As a general rule, you won't need to limit this to CFL=1.  The solution will remain stable and accurate with a much higher CFL number - so long as you have the mesh to resolve flow gradients, and time step to resolve the changes in time.

    I have always wondered which CFL number is acceptable for Acusolve. Since it apparently uses rather stable (implicit?) schemes that allow for CFL numbers much larger than 1, what's the limit or at least what's a good rule of thumb?

    User: "acupro"
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    Updated by acupro

    I have always wondered which CFL number is acceptable for Acusolve. Since it apparently uses rather stable (implicit?) schemes that allow for CFL numbers much larger than 1, what's the limit or at least what's a good rule of thumb?

    Correct - AcuSolve uses an implicit solver scheme.  Typically we would go through a sensitivity on time increment and see how the results of interest change.  I've not really used a CFL-based approach to determine the time step.  If you have an idea of a frequency in the flow - maybe start with 30 time steps per 'cycle' then go from there.

    User: "Ingeniorator"
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    Updated by Ingeniorator

    Correct - AcuSolve uses an implicit solver scheme.  Typically we would go through a sensitivity on time increment and see how the results of interest change.  I've not really used a CFL-based approach to determine the time step.  If you have an idea of a frequency in the flow - maybe start with 30 time steps per 'cycle' then go from there.

    Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up.