calculate inductance

tehran
tehran Altair Community Member
edited June 2021 in Community Q&A

Hello 

who can help me to calculate inductance matrix for Electrical Machines in Altair Flux by using macros or any other ways?

Best regards

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  • Alejandro Rodríguez
    Alejandro Rodríguez
    Altair Employee
    edited July 2019

    Hello Tehran,

     

    Actually, you have several possibilities depending of your physics and your specific needs.

     

     

    The most simple one, only for linear problems with no magnetic saturation (i.e., rotor and stator modelled as ideal materials), is to use an specific sensor which measures inductance (it divides the total flux embraced by the coil between the current carried by this same coil, which is, in fact, an accurate definition of inductance for magnetic linear problems).

     

     

    You can find more accurate and sophisticated way to calculate this value for electric machines in our tutorial in 2D: Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets), section 7.3. You will find it in the supervisor : Open example -> Technical tutorials -> Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets) ->Computation of inductances and static torque.

     

     

    Another approach to simulate inductance in electric machines is to use the macro ComputeInductanceMatrix, you can load it into your project from Macros_Flux2D_Postproc. This is an advanced approach which uses frozen permeability techniques to take into account material saturation caused by the magnets where the machine is in working conditions. Please, notice that this macro can take some time to compute since it runs several simulations to accurately represents this physical phenomena.

     

     

    I hope the proposed documentation helps you with your inductance calculus. Please, do not hesitate to return to me in case you need further information about these topics.

     

    Best regards.

  • tehran
    tehran Altair Community Member
    edited July 2019

    Hello Tehran,

     

    Actually, you have several possibilities depending of your physics and your specific needs.

     

     

    The most simple one, only for linear problems with no magnetic saturation (i.e., rotor and stator modelled as ideal materials), is to use an specific sensor which measures inductance (it divides the total flux embraced by the coil between the current carried by this same coil, which is, in fact, an accurate definition of inductance for magnetic linear problems).

     

     

    You can find more accurate and sophisticated way to calculate this value for electric machines in our tutorial in 2D: Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets), section 7.3. You will find it in the supervisor : Open example -> Technical tutorials -> Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets) ->Computation of inductances and static torque.

     

     

    Another approach to simulate inductance in electric machines is to use the macro ComputeInductanceMatrix, you can load it into your project from Macros_Flux2D_Postproc. This is an advanced approach which uses frozen permeability techniques to take into account material saturation caused by the magnets where the machine is in working conditions. Please, notice that this macro can take some time to compute since it runs several simulations to accurately represents this physical phenomena.

     

     

    I hope the proposed documentation helps you with your inductance calculus. Please, do not hesitate to return to me in case you need further information about these topics.

     

    Best regards.

    thank you for your help

    I want to calculate inductance in 3D simulation to compare with analytical calculation.

    Best Regards.

  • GlizaYuson
    GlizaYuson Altair Community Member
    edited July 2019

    You can find the way to calculate the  inductance matrix for Electrical Machines in Altair Flux here:

     

    https://docsbay.net/altair-flux-2019

     Hopefully it helps!

  • hardydragon
    hardydragon Altair Community Member
    edited November 2019

    Hello Alejandro Rodríguez,

     

    DELETE THIS POST

     

    Best Regards,

     

    HK

     

  • hardydragon
    hardydragon Altair Community Member
    edited November 2019

    Hello Tehran,

     

    Actually, you have several possibilities depending of your physics and your specific needs.

     

     

    The most simple one, only for linear problems with no magnetic saturation (i.e., rotor and stator modelled as ideal materials), is to use an specific sensor which measures inductance (it divides the total flux embraced by the coil between the current carried by this same coil, which is, in fact, an accurate definition of inductance for magnetic linear problems).

     

     

    You can find more accurate and sophisticated way to calculate this value for electric machines in our tutorial in 2D: Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets), section 7.3. You will find it in the supervisor : Open example -> Technical tutorials -> Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets) ->Computation of inductances and static torque.

     

     

    Another approach to simulate inductance in electric machines is to use the macro ComputeInductanceMatrix, you can load it into your project from Macros_Flux2D_Postproc. This is an advanced approach which uses frozen permeability techniques to take into account material saturation caused by the magnets where the machine is in working conditions. Please, notice that this macro can take some time to compute since it runs several simulations to accurately represents this physical phenomena.

     

     

    I hope the proposed documentation helps you with your inductance calculus. Please, do not hesitate to return to me in case you need further information about these topics.

     

    Best regards.

     

    Hello Alejandro Rodríguez,

     

    'Another approach to simulate inductance in electric machines is to use the macro ComputeInductanceMatrix, you can load it into your project from Macros_Flux2D_Postproc. This is an advanced approach which uses frozen permeability techniques to take into account material saturation caused by the magnets where the machine is in working conditions. Please, notice that this macro can take some time to compute since it runs several simulations to accurately represents this physical phenomena.'

     

    What is difference between the incremental inductance calculated using delta flux / delta currents vs inductance matrix calculated by the ComputeInductanceMatrix? We did that and the values are completely different also the waveform shape is different.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    HK

  • Khanh Tran Vu
    Khanh Tran Vu Altair Community Member
    edited June 2021

    Hello Tehran,

     

    Actually, you have several possibilities depending of your physics and your specific needs.

     

     

    The most simple one, only for linear problems with no magnetic saturation (i.e., rotor and stator modelled as ideal materials), is to use an specific sensor which measures inductance (it divides the total flux embraced by the coil between the current carried by this same coil, which is, in fact, an accurate definition of inductance for magnetic linear problems).

     

     

    You can find more accurate and sophisticated way to calculate this value for electric machines in our tutorial in 2D: Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets), section 7.3. You will find it in the supervisor : Open example -> Technical tutorials -> Brushless IPM motor (embedded magnets) ->Computation of inductances and static torque.

     

     

    Another approach to simulate inductance in electric machines is to use the macro ComputeInductanceMatrix, you can load it into your project from Macros_Flux2D_Postproc. This is an advanced approach which uses frozen permeability techniques to take into account material saturation caused by the magnets where the machine is in working conditions. Please, notice that this macro can take some time to compute since it runs several simulations to accurately represents this physical phenomena.

     

     

    I hope the proposed documentation helps you with your inductance calculus. Please, do not hesitate to return to me in case you need further information about these topics.

     

    Best regards.

    Hi Alejandro Rodríguez, 

    I followed your instruction and Altair flux document to compute Inductance matrix. After running the computation, Flux creates some parameters of Inductance. But when I choose the parameter, nothing happens, The I/O parameter was not created. 
    Do you know what problems is this ?
    Thank you so much.

    Best regards,
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