Checking penetrations between parts

Dakshitha
Dakshitha Altair Community Member
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

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Hello!

I have a model with 5 components ith small initial penetrations. How can I check for them? I have already tried Tools> Penetration check

 but it gives me an error '

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Hi @Dakshitha

     

    Please check whether thickness is assigned or not to the elements through a property.

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Hi @Dakshitha

     

    Please check whether thickness is assigned or not to the elements through a property.

    @Prakash Pagadala Thanks.

    But I have all solid elements. What is this thickness here?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @Dakshitha

     

    Could you please share the model file?

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @Dakshitha

     

    Could you please share the model file?

    @prakash

     

    Sure. I want to remove the penetrations in this model either manual or automatic. I'm using LS Dyna. Can you please help.

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @prakash

     

    Sure. I want to remove the penetrations in this model either manual or automatic. I'm using LS Dyna. Can you please help.

    @Dakshitha

     

    Since it is the LS-Dyna model and it is related to the solver, I would suggest you contact Dyna support. 

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @Dakshitha

     

    Since it is the LS-Dyna model and it is related to the solver, I would suggest you contact Dyna support. 

    @Prakash 

    So Hypermesh cannot import the LS Dyna solver deck and remove these penetrations?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    It can, but the error message may mean something else and the solver support can only clarify.

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    It can, but the error message may mean something else and the solver support can only clarify.

    OK @Prakash Pagadala

    I imported a different version of the file (attached herewith). Now it works when I open up as Hypermesh project and import LS Dyna keyword deck. However, it says ' No intersections/penetrations' when I phy sically zoom in I will clearly see penetrations. Any thoughts?

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  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    I can see a free face in comp 6!

    Maybe, problem is due to precision & tolerance

    Your model size is too small. If you are using length unit 'meter', scale model 1 million times and use unit micrometer

    Then you can check intersection easily.

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    I can see a free face in comp 6!

    Maybe, problem is due to precision & tolerance

    Your model size is too small. If you are using length unit 'meter', scale model 1 million times and use unit micrometer

    Then you can check intersection easily.

    @tinh

    Thank you very much that actually seems to work!!! Really helpful

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    you should create contact pairs/general contact.

    if you have contact you can easy check it in HM.=)

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @Mrt Thank you very much. I saw this in LS Prepost. But I need to FIX it. (not automatically)

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    Scaling up worked and now i can see the penetrations. And now I'm manually fixing some intersections/penetrations because the automatic one removes too much material sometimes. 

    However, while manually moving some nodes, I get an error 'Nodes or elements selected do not belong to component'

     

    How do I fix this? 

    Thanks in advance

     

    DW

     

     

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Hi, do not use tools in penetation tab to fix

    Use shift F4 to translate instead

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    is it possible to project with offset nodes to FE face?

    like in ANSA.

    it will be very usefull tool.

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  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Could you explain by images? 

    I think every fuction in ansa can be made in hm

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Could you explain by images? 

    i'll try=)

    ok, example i've got penetration. but i hadn't geometry.

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    but i want to fix my penetration.

    i have diffrent ways to do it:

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    but it's all for nodes and geometrical objects. i can't choose <element>. 

    yeah i know one way->from solid->element faces->element faces to surfaces-> you may try. but surfaces are in bad tolerance to element faces.

    i think if i can choose aline nodes by mesh faces it will be great tool. in ansa i can do it and i can choose the offset distance btwn tagert elements faces and nodes.

    is it clear?=)

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Yes, i understand

    You want to click an elem and hm will move nodes on it face (or offset at some clearance)

    I will try making that

     

    Currently, you select n1 n2 n3 on elem and that is inconvenience, don't you?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    Currently, you select n1 n2 n3 on elem and that is inconvenience, don't you?

    it's impossible if you should align 1000 nodes and have 100 elements for example=)

    i use this tool when i have a geometry. 

  • Dakshitha
    Dakshitha Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    Thank you very very much. It works. 

     

    Do you know how I can make multiple copies of a component using translate? And then check for duplicate nodes and merge?

    Sorry for the continuous trouble.

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    Thank you very very much. It works. 

     

    Do you know how I can make multiple copies of a component using translate? And then check for duplicate nodes and merge?

    Sorry for the continuous trouble.

     

    Invoke dropdown menu Tools>Transformation 

    And Shift+F3 to merge nodes

     

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    it's impossible if you should align 1000 nodes and have 100 elements for example=)

    i use this tool when i have a geometry. 

     

    OK. so i will make a script with a loop that project node to the closest elem

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    i have errors!

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  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Could you try running it in hypermesh (not hypermesh desktop)

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    =)

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited October 2018

    @tinh

    another one question, pls!

    i can't see element thickness.

    i am doing optimization tutorial os 2020, but i haven't result 'element thickness'.

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    i have just had in my solution 'base thickness'.  and it doesn't change from iteration to iteration.

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  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited October 2018

    Maybe, student version does not support