Problem with non-mappable faces

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

Hi,

I'm quite new at hypermesh and i'm  trying to mesh a solid but came across the problem i couldn't solve.

 

I have lots of components that similar to the below picture and same non-mappable faces; these are steps i'm following;

-geometry> solid edit> boolean > operation type is advanced > commbine through is none.

with this method i obtain this faces;

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>56c7914033779_Adsz.thumb.png.84865d2e24d

 

i'm using this following for the mesh;

- 2D> automesh then 3D> solid map.

but i get a warning that non-mappbale faces exist.

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>56c7927ef1758_Adsz2.thumb.png.8c0bd66b17

 

if you guys find out what my solution is i'd be appreciated,

Thanks for the helps.

 

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Answers

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    Hi,

    send us your model (partial model) so we can help you faster than writing a guide for you

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020
  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    Hi,

    Looks you model built up from thin member, so you should make SHELL (2D) model, share node between members

    if you still want to make 3d (but why 3d?), thicken the shell (panel 2d>elem offset>thicken shell), and make RBE2 or RBE3 connect members

     

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Thanks for the advise @tinh

     

    Okey, i followed your way, i dont know i'm doing correctly but my mesh is looking good until i give it a thickness,

     

    elements have 12 T connections warning showed up now  where the components' intersection area.  How am i gonna put distance between them? since i begin to the procedure with solid boolean there is no room for thickness i asume.

     

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>Adsız3.png

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    Hi,

    it is ok to share nodes at the position, so you see 12 t-connections

    solver understand it is continuous, it means the two members are fully welded

    if you make a distance there, the two members are disconnected and cannot form a structure (unless you will connect them by some else elems like rbe2,rbe3,...)

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    i ran some tests and my professor told me the shell elements are not proper for our model ( i'm talkn abouth hole bus ) . He wants me to do it as solid body, is there any other      options ?

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    The only problem i have for now is this, i believe i can progress if i can mesh this part.

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>56cc4b1fe9227_Adszas.thumb.png.4acb17b25

     

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    Could share your model file?

     

    Regards

    Rahul R

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited November 2020

    Here is a part of upper frame of the bus, it's keep going almost same sequence.

    The problem is, the components doesn't match perfect as you can see so i found solid boolean is the way to macth them, after doing boolean it creates a surface that i couldn't mesh.

     

    Thanks.

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    Hi,

     

    I have observed too many CAD modelling error which is not allowing your model to convert in mappable solid.I believe you can correct this easily in CAD software.

     

    Regards

    Rahul R 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Okey, my geometry is not good enough to mesh but when i try to mesh perfect geometry the same issue exist again.

    This is the geom. i try to mesh;

     

     

    is there other problems possible ? 

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    will check this geometry & update you soon.

     

    Regards

    Rahul R

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Here's is my test with full hex meshing.

     

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>perfgeo.jpg

    Unable to find an attachment - read this blog

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Hi,

    which version you've used, mine is v12 

  • Rahul Rajan_21763
    Rahul Rajan_21763 New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2016

    this is possible with any version of hyperworks.

     

    Regards

    Rahul R

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Then why am i getting ' The file is not backwardly compatible with this version.' message when i try to open @Q.NGUYEN-DAI's upload. 

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Then why am i getting ' The file is not backwardly compatible with this version.' message when i try to open @Q.NGUYEN-DAI's upload. 

    Hi,

     

    .hm files created with HyperMesh 13.0 are not compatible with HyperMesh 12.0.

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2016

    Yes, I used HM v13.0

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited March 2016

    Can you make a quick tutorial  the steps you follow making that mesh when you are available @Q.NGUYEN-DAI.

     

    Thanks.