Result type - Size optimisation /How read the thickness or orientation by ply with PCOMPG in Hyperview

BM
BM New Altair Community Member
edited February 2021 in Community Q&A

Hello,

If I made a SZTOSH optimisation with PCOMPG.

How can I select the result type by "layers" in hyperview ? I would like to select the ID of plies inially set up in PCOMPG and appreciate the results in thickness or orientation moving if I make optimisation with both design variables.

Is there any special outputs or cards to add before launch the optimisation in hypermesh ?

thanks in advance

BMimage

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  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021 Answer ✓
    BM said:

    Dear Julien,

    thanks for your message.

    I try to put your input card without success.

    Here enclosed the .fem.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ra-LtqOz1-pveFBehGmCuKBmFJqFFYEi/view?usp=sharing

    thanks in advance for your tips.

    BR

     

    Hello,

    I think a DSIZE card on your PCOMPG is missing in your optimization.

    Can you have a look to the following Optistruct tutorial "OS-T: 3200 Design of a Composite Aircraft Underbelly Fairing" (available in OS online help) to know how to definie this kind of card.

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

     

     

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  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021

    Hello,

     

    Ply thickness should be available under Orientation Thickness (s) that is available in h3d file.

     

    Can you check your h3d file?

     

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Thanks for your reply.

    It is not available in .h3d. I have no the possiblity to choose "ply thickness" or "ply orientation". Perhaps I have to put special additional card in hypermesh before running the optimisation ?

    Here enclosed screenshoots of the hypersmesh PCOMPG (x2, with two plies in each) and Discrete Design Variables, Design variable and links. 

    In definitive, I would like to have the name of GPly (initially input in PCOMPG property) in hyperview with the result in thickness and orientation.

    thanks in advance for your tips

    BR

    image

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021

    Hello,

    With PCOMPG, you will be able to retrieve ply thickness information in h3d under output "Ply thickness (s)"

    image

     

    Hope this help

    Regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Dear Julien,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Unfortunately not, when I open *.des.h3d result file, the field "layers" is still in grey.image

    Could you please share a screen shot of your .fem in the beginning ?

    Perhaps I miss one output card.

    Mine is below:

    image

    thanks in advance

    BR

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021
    BM said:

    Dear Julien,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Unfortunately not, when I open *.des.h3d result file, the field "layers" is still in grey.image

    Could you please share a screen shot of your .fem in the beginning ?

    Perhaps I miss one output card.

    Mine is below:

    image

    thanks in advance

    BR

    Hello,

     

    Here is my file :

     

    image

    There is no specific output card queried to get the "Ply Thicknesses" result type in Hyperview.

     

    Can you share your .fem file to try to help you?

     

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Dear Julien,

    thanks for your message.

    I try to put your input card without success.

    Here enclosed the .fem.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ra-LtqOz1-pveFBehGmCuKBmFJqFFYEi/view?usp=sharing

    thanks in advance for your tips.

    BR

     

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021 Answer ✓
    BM said:

    Dear Julien,

    thanks for your message.

    I try to put your input card without success.

    Here enclosed the .fem.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ra-LtqOz1-pveFBehGmCuKBmFJqFFYEi/view?usp=sharing

    thanks in advance for your tips.

    BR

     

    Hello,

    I think a DSIZE card on your PCOMPG is missing in your optimization.

    Can you have a look to the following Optistruct tutorial "OS-T: 3200 Design of a Composite Aircraft Underbelly Fairing" (available in OS online help) to know how to definie this kind of card.

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

     

     

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Dear Julien,

    You're right it was DSIZE card. Now it works for thicknesses.

    I can now appreciate the variation of thickness in each ply PCOMPG. Can I see the orientation changes as well ? As I have declared an "orientation" design variable ?

    I would like to select the ID ply and can see the thickness (done ! thanks) and the orientation (0, 45, 90 or 135deg as input in the DDVAL)

    Thanks a lot

    BM

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Additionally, I would like to give the same IDPly name in each property PCOMPG (prop6, prop7 below) and assign different design variables in thickness (t1, t2, t3, t4) and orientation (theta1, theta2, theta3, theta4). As a result, I will get in Hyperview the result in thickness and orientation on the whole part surface when I click on "Ply 1" and "Ply 2"

    imagehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1hthJPqPgcA4JjUJpY0kzJ5ekJm7Z3c9G/view?usp=sharing

    Is it doable ?

    thanks in advance

    that will be my last message ;-)

    BR

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021
    BM said:

    Dear Julien,

    You're right it was DSIZE card. Now it works for thicknesses.

    I can now appreciate the variation of thickness in each ply PCOMPG. Can I see the orientation changes as well ? As I have declared an "orientation" design variable ?

    I would like to select the ID ply and can see the thickness (done ! thanks) and the orientation (0, 45, 90 or 135deg as input in the DDVAL)

    Thanks a lot

    BM

    Hi,

     

    can you add a Balance parameter to your DSIZE card (as explained in the tutorial).

     

    This will allow you to see the orientation results.

     

    Thanks and regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Dear Julien,

    I check the option BALANCE but it is not exactly what I seek.

    Do you have a look on my previous message above ?

    In definitive, I would like to have "ply orientation" in hyperview. And the choice to tick the ID Ply. Is it possible ?

    image

    And, as described in my previous message, I would like to put two same ID ply in two different PCOMPG in order to get the thickness or orientations on the whole surface in one time.

     

    thanks a lot

    BR

     

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited January 2021
    BM said:

    Dear Julien,

    I check the option BALANCE but it is not exactly what I seek.

    Do you have a look on my previous message above ?

    In definitive, I would like to have "ply orientation" in hyperview. And the choice to tick the ID Ply. Is it possible ?

    image

    And, as described in my previous message, I would like to put two same ID ply in two different PCOMPG in order to get the thickness or orientations on the whole surface in one time.

     

    thanks a lot

    BR

     

    Hi,

    I am not an Optistruct expert, so I can not help you more on this subject.

    Will ask my colleagues to have a look to your request to help you.

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited January 2021

    Ok thanks, 

    Looking forward to receiving your tips.

    Best regards

    BM

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2021

    Dear Julien, I hope you're fine.

    Sorry to get back to you. Did you have time to ask to your colleague for this option "ply orientation(s) " or "ply angle(s)" ?

    I try to use several option, but I am currently in a dead end ....:-(

    thanks !

    BR

  • Julien Comas_21483
    Julien Comas_21483
    Altair Employee
    edited February 2021
    BM said:

    Dear Julien, I hope you're fine.

    Sorry to get back to you. Did you have time to ask to your colleague for this option "ply orientation(s) " or "ply angle(s)" ?

    I try to use several option, but I am currently in a dead end ....:-(

    thanks !

    BR

    Hello,

     

    Which version of OS are you using to run your analysis?

    It appears than with OS 2020.0.1 Ply Angle output is not available.

    Can you try to run your analysis with a more version of OS, like 2021 for example?

     

    On my side, with OS 2021, I've got these results for your model:

    image

     

    can you try and let me know?

     

    Thanks and Regards

    Julien

  • BM
    BM New Altair Community Member
    edited February 2021

    Dear Julien,

    thanks a lot for your reply. Indeed I have 2019 version, I will set up the 2021 to get the good results.

    Strange because I used in 2013 and I remember this option was already included in altair. That means you removed it between 2014 and 2021, is it possible ?

    BR

     

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