zero or negative volume : 3D element

Altair Forum User
Altair Forum User
Altair Employee
edited October 2020 in Community Q&A

hai all,

 

I encountered an error while running  Radioss saying that

 'ZERO OR NEGATIVE VOLUME : 3D ELEMENT'

Can anyone help me in solving this error...

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  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited April 2013

    Hello,

     

    I think it is a badly shaped 3D element.

    The solid is decomposed into sub-volumes associated to each integration point.  If the element is badly warped, one sub-volume could be negative.

     

    Check your element quality.

     

    Regards,

    Mario

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited April 2013

    Tool => check elems => 3D => aspect, jacobian, warpage, tet collapse

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited April 2013

    Hello  

    Mario

    Q.NGUYEN-DAI

    thank you for your guidance.

    I have checked as u both said, but the problem is that all is having 0% error. 

    In our crash analysis we made the contact between two components by translating the nodes and equivalising them. We are not using bolt or weld joints. we meshed the axle by 2D AUTOMESH and wheel part( tyre+hub) by TETRAMESH. Is it a correct method???

     

    Regards

    Rahul Raj

  • tinh
    tinh Altair Community Member
    edited April 2013

    Hi

    Sometime with soft material, solid elements can be deformed severely that its nodes go through opposite side and cause negative volume

    Can handle by covering nul shell on them or set interior contact (i am not sure radioss has interior contact or not)

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited April 2013

    Hi

    tinh

    thank you .... 

     

     We assumed the entire wheel assembly as a single entity and done 3 d meshing. Also we gave same material(rubber) for all the wheel assembly. As rubber is a soft material, we think that may be the reason for the error....

     

      

    Regards

    Rahul Raj

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited September 2013

    You could change the element formulations with some advanced formulations (e.g. QEPH etc.).

  • Altair Forum User
    Altair Forum User
    Altair Employee
    edited May 2018

    As per my understanding,

     

    assign failure criteria to that part where element is showing zero or negative volume.

    sometimes because of load value it is getting deformed at high amount but not getting deleted even if load crosses its ultimate stress value.

     

    correct me if i'm wrong.